Talk:Gothic script
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[edit]I think this article should be merged with blackletter. It's different names for the same script. The disambiguation page gothic suggest that there were a distinction between the handwriting script called gothic script and a typing script called blackletter, but it seems to me that this distinction is artificial (inexistent outside wikipedia). I believe that the lable blackletter is preferrable because it's less ambiguous: There's no danger of confusion with the gothic alphabet. Additionally, when the term gothic was chosen in the renaissance, it was intended as a despective name for an "outdated" and "ugly" script (in the eyes of a renaissancer). J. 'mach' wust 23:25, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I've always seen the script called "Gothic", and "blackletter" to me sounds like a typographical script, or a modern typeface approximating Gothic forms (which we might also call "Old English" or something). What do you think most people would search for, Gothic or blackletter? I guess I don't really mind either way. Adam Bishop 08:09, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- If I were German (I am actually), I'd search for Fraktur! :) This is more easily proven not to be accurate, since most sources agree that the fraktur is only a specific style (in typing and in calligraphy) of blackletter/gothic script (the most used one). I'd say the name we choose is not a question of what most people suppose it is, but of what is more accurate.
- If the distinction between typographical and handwritten script is usual, then we should point that out. However, my impression is that there isn't much of a difference in use. If there were such a distinction, what is the common term for both?
- And I forgot that gothic is also used to refer to sans-serif. J. 'mach' wust 14:22, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I think Gothic is a kind of blackletter, but not all blackletter is Gothic. Gothic "script" is handwriting, and blackletter comes after the printing press - although they did use Gothic as a printing type as well. I'm not sure...maybe I have notes about this somewhere... Adam Bishop 15:26, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Not blackletter
[edit]Nearly 20 years to late to comment but in case someone sees this discussion and is misled. In type design, Gothic type (or computer font) means sans-serif, not blackletter. See for example Bell Gothic, Century Gothic, Franklin Gothic, Letter Gothic, News Gothic and so on. As the Sans-serif article explains:
Gothic: Popular with American type founders. Perhaps the first use of the term was due to the Boston Type and Stereotype Foundry, which in 1837 published a set of sans-serif typefaces under that name. It is believed that those were the first sans-serif designs to be introduced in America. The term probably derived from the architectural definition, which is neither Greek nor Roman,[1] and from the extended adjective term of "Germany", which was the place where sans-serif typefaces became popular in the 19th to 20th centuries.[2] Early adopters for the term include Miller & Richard (1863), J. & R. M. Wood (1865), Lothian, Conner, Bruce McKellar.
The confusion is not unusual and continues with goth culture. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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