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Daffodil International Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT and WP:SIGCOV. Affiliation doesn't show notability also. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Platform-independent model (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged uncited over 15 years ago and please see Talk:Platform-independent_model#Is_this_really_encylopedic? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think Platform-specific model could be bundled with this. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Healthera (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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it does not provide sufficient independent, reliable sources that prove the company's notability according to Wikipedia's guidelines. Loewstisch (talk) 08:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Montenegro (comics) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Could not find any additional coverage that would suggest notability, and I don't think the encyclopedia appearances currently included would be enough on their own. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sofia Nelson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No indication of significance. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creepTalk 07:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ruben Katsobashvili (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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According to the recently published book Terrible Humans by Patrick Alley, a co-founder of the anti-corruption NGO Global Witness, this page is a wholly false biography. The book, in the chapter 'The Gatekeeper', states that it was created as part of a scheme establishing a network of false, or shell, companies designed to enable Dan Gertler and others to evade sanctions imposed by the United States Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control in December 2017 for their role in 'opaque and corrupt mining and oil deals in the Democratic Republic of the Congo'. Katsobashvili is also mentioned on the EN:WP page for Interactive Energy, another Gertler-related company involved in the scheme. Further details available if required.14GTR (talk) 04:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep for failing to assert a valid deletion rationale.
Clearly Global Witness has decided to make an issue of the truth of his biography, and their claims have been reported by others. And no doubt you find their claims and that of their founder credible. But an NGO being unhappy with a Wikipedia article doesn't constitute a deletion rationale.
He does get press coverage (some of which includes the allegations by Global Witness) like [1], [2], [3]. So it seems likely that the article passes WP:GNG (and you certainly haven't made the argument it doesn't).
I'm not trying to defend this guy, or advocating for keeping an article if it's just a bunch of lies. But if you have reliable sources demonstrating that parts of the article are untrue, wouldn't the appropriate thing to be to add those claims to the article? Then we get a full picture rather than just taking an approach that results in Wikipedia containing no information about this person. Oblivy (talk) 05:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could accept the arguement that Katobashvili warrents a mention in the article on Gertler, in the context of Gertler's response to the US sanctions but beyond that all we have is an individual who, seemingly, agreed for his name and photo to be used by others to avoid those sanctions. According to Terrible Humans he is not a career oil and mining magnate and Global Witness could find no trace of the companies listed on the WP page as having being created by him in the various corporate records they checked. Apologies for the delay in responding.14GTR (talk) 06:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your point but I think I've already addressed it. You have an NGO that is rubbishing Wikipedia's article, and nothing else. I not only don't see that's a valid deletion rationale but also think it would set a bad precedent to delete an article just based on someone off-wiki saying it's inaccurate. Oblivy (talk) 10:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that Global Witness are stating that the article, and the false story it relates were created as part of the scheme to avoid sanctions. By portraying Katobashvili as an career oil and mining magnate funding Interactive Energy, it attempts to give credence to that company which was a key part of the sanctions work-around. The three sources you found also, by my reading, make this point.14GTR (talk) 11:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And to the extent they do, they cite Global Witness. Oblivy (talk) 12:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abhishek Malhan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Runner up of the show and doing lots of music video is not enough for notability. Xegma(talk) 04:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He is not only a runner up of a show, but a very popular indian youtuber too. Columbidae5 (talk) 06:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Stay, you have reliable sources The Times India, The Hindustan News, News18, among others, it also has encyclopedic development and maintains relevance in what it does as a video blogger. Alon9393 (talk) 22:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Central Library, Indian Institute of Technology Delhi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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no non-primary sources found. Sohom (talk) 04:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Caidy Nelson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this amateur soccer player. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 06:28, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slap of Reality (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable band that fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG. I could not find any sources about this band and the only reference listed links to a forum post. cyberdog958Talk 06:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VTES 3rd Edition (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Outside MtG, individual sets of CCGs are almost never notable, and I don't see why this should be an exception. Maybe merge the mention of awards to Vampire: The Eternal Struggle if it is not there and redirect this per WP:ATD-R? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Blair Witch characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:NLIST. All sources are primary and based on the books. Couldn't find anything on a search that discussed the characters as a group. Conyo14 (talk) 04:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a right fielder leaders (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Looked at the sources, and besides baseball-reference, there isn't much to justify the list as a group. If this included all double plays, then it might be more notable as a group, as Baseball Almanac covers it. Since it is only the one position, I think WP:NOTSTATS comes into play. Conyo14 (talk) 03:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rosemary's Baby (franchise) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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After consideration and researching the article myself, I can not find signifigant coverage of Rosemary's Baby as a franchise with a any serious depth. Despite the large amount of citations found in the lead and the amount of content within the article. MOS:FILMSERIES says series and franchise articles would "benefit from coverage that discusses the series as a whole", but we have only been pulling from individual film/tv/work reception and are lacking in material that discusses the entirety of the work. This is predominantly material repeating information already available on the unique film/TV/novel articles.

  • Two articles are primarily about the 50th anniversary of the first film. There is little discussion of it as a series or a franchise outside other briefs about the development of the film.
    • Woman's World has little discussion other than a sequel was made to the film, a follow-up was made to the first book, and a television series was adapted. But there is no real discussion of the franchise from a critical, analytical, or business matter. The articles does not refer to it as a franchise, series, or anything.
    • Mental Floss Similarly, is a list of 13 facts about the first film, some tangentially related to the other material related to either the film or novel.
  • Articles that praise the first film, and the announcement of a sequel/prequel/remake.
    • Collider and The Guardian articles primarily praise the first film, and announce a follow up is being developed. There is little discussion about the whole thing as a series/franchise, while boasting the quality of the first film.
    • Screencrush is probably the closest in detail to anything, but barely traces it mentioning the tv sequel and a miniseries version. No critical analysis, no history of the film's production as a series or franchise with just a brief mention of the cast returning or not returning for 1970s tv-entry.
  • Sources that call it a franchise fail WP:SIGCOV, as they are trivial mentions, that fail to "address the topic directly and in detail."
    • Comicbook.com states "The movie successfully launched a titular franchise, which includes a 1976 made-for-TV sequel, an upcoming streaming exclusive prequel (2024), and a television series adaptation." this is the only amount of depth applied and like the Guardian and Collider sources, are presented as press releases for sequels to give them prestige, there is no context to it as a series.
    • Sportskeeda seems to fail WP:RSP, and can be seen here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sportskeeda.

The rest of the article generally rehashes the history of the production of individual items. occasionally peppering in that Rosemary's Baby has been called the greatest [horror] film ever a few times and regurgitates material that is already available in the individual articles for the books, series and novels, and places them side by side with no commentary to why we are comparing them. This goes against WP:UNDUE as we have a lack of "depth of detail, the quantity of text, prominence of placement, the juxtaposition of statements, and the use of imagery. In articles relating to a minority viewpoint, such views may receive more attention and space." In this case, we have barely anything discussing it as a franchise and run with content that is just discussing one film or another and places no information on why we have to know this info or how it relates to each or if it was even important to this group of works. The same goes for the film gross, which lists the first film's gross, then restates it as a "Total" for the series and has no information on how much the novels or TV series, in terms of cost, production or anything. This is just regurgitating information from the first article.

Beyond this, the article presents original research such as an "Official Franchise Logo". At the same time, the logo in question on [on Wikimedia] refers to it as just the films logo, not a series or franchise. From my search, I've only seen it used for the TV adaptation and the original.

On searching books, websites, and the Wikipedia Library, I have found tons of content discussing the novel and first book, but nothing outside spare mentions like the above. I propose that the article be deleted or merged with a legacy section on the first novel and first film respectively for their respective content. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moncho Iglesias Míguez (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Very weak article, with references that do not even offer much confidence. If no other sources are found to support it, it should be deleted. It is not so much a question of whether it contributes or not, but rather that it has a very weak documentary base. Alon9393 (talk) 02:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Folley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:ARTIST and probably WP:GNG as well. The sources that I was able to verify are either insignificant coverage or not independent of the subject. I searched for other sources, but only found the artist's blog, a YouTube video, some mentions on gallery sites, and the usual social media sites. I was not able to located the article "Old Master", so I don't know how much coverage it includes. I also wasn't able to find "David Folley: Portrait of a Painter", but considering that it was published by Zap Art Promotions, I'm guessing it isn't independent and was probably created to accompany an exhibit. Overall, the subject seems to be a successful professional artist with the usual smattering of coverage in local media that you would expect. They don't, however, seem to be notable enough for an encyclopedia article, but I would be happy to hear other opinions. The article about their painting The Descent from the Cross (David Folley) also seems to have questionable notability, but I'll leave that discussion for another day. Nosferattus (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of WWE Raw on-air personalities (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling#For weekly wrestling shows, subsections listing every single combination of announce team need to be deleted, there is a consensus on Wikiproject Professional Wrestling that articles such as these are not fit for purpose. They are mostly unreferenced or extremely poorly referenced, and are made up of WP:Fancruft ie trivial information only interesting to a niche amount of readers. They also break the guidelines of WP:NOTDIRECTORY.

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:
List of WWE SmackDown on-air personalities (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of WWE NXT on-air personalities (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Regards, CeltBrowne (talk) 01:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Askew Saddlery Company (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Reviewed during NPP. Only has a single source, and no additional reliable sources were found online. Does not satisfy WP:NCORP or WP:GNG. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Our guidelines provide us with a mechanism to assist in determining whether a company was notable and the criteria are rooted in sourcing.
Your arguments are that on the one hand, we can't expect adequate sourcing from that period of time (over 100 years ago) - but this is the mechanism which the community has decided is best to determine notability. Otherwise it might as well be an opinion where all it takes it that someone says they believe it is notable and therefore deserves an article.
Your better argument is that you've provided two sources that offer "significant coverage" of the *company* itself and are entirely independent. The first source is from the Kansas City Journal, Sept 20 1925. In my opinion, it reads very much like a promo piece, with the company celebrating 60 years in business. The vast majority of the article focuses on the founders. You might argue that back in those days, companies were often or not associated closely with real people (not faceless corporations) and so writing about the illustrious lives, trials and tribulations of the founders was conflated with writing about the company - but we still see this sort of thing today too. Celebrities setting up companies to sell their coffee or fashion accessories and usually the coverage is focused on the celeb and not the company. Not many of those companies meet the criteria for notability either because the sourcing fails GNG/NCORP. But whatever about the merits or otherwise of the first source, none of the other sources meet the criteria. The company gets a mere mention-in-passing in second source in the same publication ("Admits Forgery Attempts").
The Kansas City Times from 7th Nov 1899 concerns the company filing a petition for an injunction, it does not provide any in-depth information about the company, fails CORPDEPTH.
If there are other good sources out there that provide in-depth "Independent Content" about the *company*, I might reconsider my !vote. HighKing++ 17:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Viva Van (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article deleted by consensus last month; G4 Speedy contested. Additional sources added by contester still don't appear to meet GNG as they are either results/routine coverage or interviews with the subject. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  21:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: I've added more sources to the article where she is the primary topic. One source is Pro Wrestling Illustrated, which is a generally reliable source on WikiProject Pro Wrestling's list of sources, as well as an interview conducted by Denise Salcedo. Salcedo is an employee of Wrestling Observer Newsletter and Fightful, both of which are considered reliable sources by the aforementioned list. These new sources, in addition to sources already in the article, help her clear WP:SIGCOV criteria. CeltBrowne (talk) 21:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Interviews of the subject cannot be used to meet WP:GNG due to not being independent of the subject. Both of the sources you added were interviews with the subject. I'm still not seeing anything in the article which indicates the subject has met GNG in the month since the last article was deleted (which, if this is kept, should be undeleted and attributed to, since I don't think there was much different). ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  21:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As I pointed, my main concern is the sources. Wrestlers need reliable sources focusing on them. Most of the article is just WP:RESULTS, that means, reports about TV shows where she worked, but the report is not about her. We can use Cagematch and create articles for every wrestler on the planet, that's why we need to include sources about the wrestler. For example, AEW section has 5 sources, 4 of them, WP:RESULTS. ROH section has 1 source, which is WP:RESULTS (Her ROH career isn't notable). Impact Wrestling has one source, WP:RESULTS. Almost every match on the Independent Circuit it's WP:RESULTS (I don't get why her work with Hoodslam it's relevant at all). We can't just take matches from famous promotions to create an article. On the other side, it's fine to read articles from Denice or Miami Herald about her. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the Denice interview has too little secondary context to base a BLP article off of it, especially so since in this instance it's published on The Sportster which is redlisted at WP:RS/PS#Valnet and specifically listed as unreliable at WP:PW/RS. The PWI interview is literally just the raw interview on YouTube. Even if we count Miami Herald, that's still one source. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  16:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nunzio Engwanda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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All the sources on Google News I could find are all WP:PRIMARY thus failing WP:SIGCOV for WP:SPORTCRIT Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

McHugh Forum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Cannot find reliable and in-depth sources. All sources found were either closely associated or were passing mentions in "Tales from the Boston College" books. Roasted (talk) 00:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Ragsdale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Biography claiming "longest serving" but sources are extremely local, and related to public disclosure. Doesn't have lasting public signficance. Sadads (talk) 00:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

System Technology-i Co, Ltd (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article about a company which doesn't seem to meet WP:CORP / WP:SIGCOV. It cites 19 sources but if you look at them, none seem to be independent reliable sources about this company. The first is an article about 100 companies doing exhibits at an event in Malaysia, just a passing mention. References 2-4 are financial reports (first party primary sources). Reference 5 is the company's defunct linkedin, references 7 and 9 are websites of the company's products. References 13 to 19 are directory listings on a business partner's website. The Yahoo article is actually a press release. That leaves only the (deleted) PDFs of articles supposedly from Nikkei Sangyo Shimbun. I can't track down the articles at this time, but with titles like "System Technology-i and Delivering training over iPad device" they sound like more press releases.

Admittedly there's a language barrier, and the company is apparently no longer in business. But none of the sources currently cited are anywhere close to being the kind of coverage we'd need to see to establish notability. Here2rewrite (talk) 00:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

El Mirador Azul (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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It is a very little-known group in its country and its blog sources give little reliability to the context. Alon9393 (talk) 23:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)LibStar (talk) 02:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Shanmugam Murugesu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:PERP or WP:SPORTSCRIT. We don't create articles for every criminal executed. LibStar (talk) 00:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep his execution was massively controversial (as executing someone for carrying 2.2 pounds of marijuana tends to be). Sigcov in several books from a quick search, see [12] [13] [14] all with significant analysis. Likely much more. Lots of later news coverage. Inspired a play. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per above explanation by PARAKANYAA. — Maile (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it seems clear that a WP:BEFORE search would show the continued notability of this gentleman and that PERP#2 is easily met. To those publications with sigcov dentified by @PARAKANYAA I'd add:
  • Ortmann, Stephan. "The Anti-Death Penalty Movement in Singapore: Structural and Situational Opportunities in an Illiberal Regime." Journal of Contemporary Asia (2024): 1-20.
  • Chia, Priscilla, et al. "Tracing the history of the anti-death penalty movements in Singapore." A history of human rights society in Singapore. Routledge, 2017. 17-35.
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