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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Joe Roe,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

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Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Joe Roe,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Joe Roe,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

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Welcome to the drive!

Welcome, welcome, welcome Joe Roe! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Fix a random page lacking sources

CactiStaccingCrane (talk)15:38, 2 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Mass IPBE request

Dear User:Joe Roe,

We kindly write to request for IPBE for our university students ahead of an adit a thon which will be hosted on the 5th and 12th July. All the users are new and this unblock will be helpful as we will mostly be working on English Wikipedia. Find link to the event page- https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Event:WikiForHumanRights2024-Ghana_W4SAFRICA. Your support is greatly needed and appreciated. Kindly see the list of user names on the event dashboard or find here;

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Best,

Ruby D-Brown (talk) 11:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ruby D-Brown. That sounds like a great event. Can I ask why you're requesting this from me specifically? Are these users caught in an IP block I placed? – Joe (talk) 11:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Joe, there is not specific reason, I used this tool to find you https://apersonbot.toolforge.org/recently-active/?admins. I'm not sure if i contact the right person but i was hopeful i can get someone to support me or direct me. I am requesting Ip Unblock for these new users because they are new. From our previous campaign edit, our new editors could not edit English Wikipedia as they were all blocked which really impacted the event. That was not the only case; it always happens when new users who are enthusiastic get blocked and cut short on their expectations. We will like to mitigate this experience ahead of time. We believe that getting them unblocked ahead of time can facilitate a smooth experience. Also, they are being guided by experienced editors to ensure that the content put on Wikipedia is guided. Ruby D-Brown (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh I see, no problem. I've never actually granted IPBE before, though, so I'm afraid I'm not the best person to help you directly. You could try Wikipedia talk:IP block exemption. – Joe (talk) 11:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much will check it out. Ruby D-Brown (talk) 18:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

History of rice cultivation

Hi Joe, noted your edit at Domestication. I've tweaked Rice and History of rice cultivation with the same source, but I fancy that the History article is using a lot of old sources, all added at the same time a decade ago, and probably in need of a bit more updating. If you fancy taking a look, it'd be appreciated. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap: Sure, I'll try to take a look. – Joe (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hey, I hope you are doing well. I have a small question in mind. If I revert someone’s edit that is under “Pending Changes,” should I notify the user or just leave it without notifying? I am asking because I have noticed that most people do not post warnings.

Also, I am deeply sorry to you, Josh and others for the previous mess I created at the PERM and on my Talk page. I promise never to do anything like that again. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks. GrabUp - Talk 03:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Grabup. As long as you leave an explanatory edit summary, a notification isn't needed. They should get an echo alert automatically. – Joe (talk) 07:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, now it is clear to me. GrabUp - Talk 08:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey there, I have other questions on my mind. Since I am blocked because of what happened, and you said I can apply for permissions after the ban ends, will I be declined any requests in the future citing this block? For example, WP:NPPCRITERIA’s fourth rule. I am not only referring to NPP but also other permissions such as WP:PMCRITERIA’s fourth rule. Will I be declined because of this block?

Also, you blocked me from all PERMS, which is okay, but I am currently on trial for Rollbackers and using the Antivandal tool to counter vandalism. How can I apply for it after the right expires? GrabUp - Talk 08:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll lift the block on WP:PERM/R. Whether it is relevant to any future requests is up to whichever admin processes that request. I would say that the purpose of this block, beyond stopping the immediate disruption on the PERM pages, was to encourage you to focus on things other than collecting rights – applying for them again shortly after (i.e. less than six months) your block expires does not exactly show that. – Joe (talk) 09:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I will keep that in mind. I would also like to confirm that I was not just collecting rights. If that were the case, I would not have used any of the rights I have, such as AfC, Pending Changes, and Rollbackers. I wanted that right because I wanted to patrol. Anyway, I will focus on other areas as suggested. Happy editing. GrabUp - Talk 09:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Robocritic

Hello. You granted new page reviewer status to Robocritic and immediately he has blanked 2 of my pages and redirected them without going through the nomination process. 1 is this allowed? 2 can I appeal? 3 this guy is clearly unsuitable to be a reviewer so can I appeal against him getting this status? Shrug02 (talk) 07:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Shrug02. Yes, it's a common practice called blank-and-redirecting. There is no need to appeal to anyone; if you disagree, just revert it. If RoboCric (courtesy ping) disagrees with this, they can then start a discussion. I realise that the sudden disappearance of your article can feel drastic, but the logic is that because blank-and-redirecting is easily reverted, it can be handled using the normal bold-revert-discuss cycle. – Joe (talk) 08:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Shrug02 (talk) 08:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

How can I access the pages to turn off the redirect as when I click on them they just go to the redirected page? Shrug02 (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

There should be a link at the top of the page which allows you to get back to the redirect. For example, if you click on WP:REDIRECT, there's a note just under the title that says:

(Redirected from Wikipedia:REDIRECT)

Clicking that link and then clicking history will allow you to revert RoboCric's edit. – Joe (talk) 08:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Shrug02 (talk) 08:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Possible violation of WP:DR and spirit of WP:AGF at Talk:Jinn

Hi there. I saw you offer to help Doug Weller last week when he was busy and was wondering if I could interest you in checking this. I'm part of part of couple-of-months-long going dispute and preparation for RfC at Jinn, (starting around here). At the suggestion of Bookku (here), I was wondering if you could take a look at this post by VenusFeuerFalle and see if you find it in breach of WP:DR spirit of WP:AGF as Bookku (our informal dispute facilitator) and myself do. Example:

I am willing to give the involved users one last chance, to make one clear suggestion, I want to respond one last time. Then we can go step by step over to the other ones. If it fails, I will not reply to that anymore, and then either the edits meet the Wiki-Criteria or they don't. If they do not meet them, they will be reverted, no matter of you understand the reason or not. Because, I just feel my time being wasted. If the users again derail the discussions, I will report Eagle and let an admin check on all involved users for canvassing, harrassment, and potential sockpuppetry.

Many thanks if you can. --15:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC) Louis P. Boog (talk) 15:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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Genocide close

hi Joe, thanks for closing. You say, "The main argument in favour of options 2 and 3 were that the unqualified use of the word 'genocide' in an article title...would violate...NPOV..." That seems to be a simple mistake as I'm sure you mean options 1 and 2, as option 3, Gaza genocide, is the one with unqualified use? Tom B (talk) 16:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, I'll correct that. – Joe (talk) 16:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Joe, Regarding closure of the title move, I am asking how You evaluated WP:CON and WP:NOTNP. Shouldn't we have waited, keeping the old more neutral title ? --Robertiki (talk) 22:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

AMH and Oz roads

If, you want a discussion about the issues - great! Otherwise I remain silent in response. JarrahTree 01:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: If you as a participant think these projects are still active then great, I'm not going to argue. The purpose of classifying WikiProjects in this way isn't to brand them as failures or anything, it's to draw attention to ones that might need help to thrive again. A WikiProject is fundamentally a group of editors working collaboratively, so if you have a few editors working on a topic but not talking to eachother, that's probably a sign that the project is not active even if the individual editors are. That's why I look primarily at talk page activity. – Joe (talk) 04:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

ː Thanks for your comments, I had started an overdetailed response in my head about the context of collaborative ventures in the domain of oz in general (sorry I am very disrespectful of my home country Australia as OZ) and there is a very weird mix of things that would not passs the project council ‘pub test’ and the participants in general did not give a rats about process or procedure - it never seemed worth giving them the third degree about the accepted council things of the old days, as they were in effect fly by night, not around for the duration - just in it for their bit and thats it. Thanks for your positive comments in your reply, I am of the opinion that in the oz domain there is need for discussion about the variegated ambience of the assorted collaborations as a collection of what happens when there are things as loose as they seem. Maybe a conference paper later in the year. JarrahTree 05:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I have noticed that there is an unusual number of Australian-flavoured topical projects. WikiProject Australian history, WikiProject Education in Australia, WikiProject Australian politics, WikiProject Australian law, WikiProject Australian crime, WikiProject Australian Transport, WikiProject Australian Roads, WikiProject Australian maritime history, WikiProject Australian television, WikiProject Demographics of Australia – no other country comes close to that. Do you think there's a benefit to editors in doing it this way, as opposed to a model where, say, someone interested in Australian history would join WikiProject Australia and WikiProject History? – Joe (talk) 06:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

My answer could be quite elaborate as to this, and will take a time to compose - please understand that I wish to answer, but it might be not today... JarrahTree 09:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

No rush! I'm genuinely interested to hear your thoughts as a longtime participant in these projects. There is also some broader discussion of merging small/inactive WikiProjects at WT:COUNCIL, if you're interested. – Joe (talk) 09:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh dear, the issue is much large, over the last 18 years, merges/muckups/messes have been made (and in the face of the general trend is also less admins, in a lot of cases a lot less editors), and so in effect the argument that you give for merges runs along merrily because very few editors 'person the barricades' for anything anymore... even xfD queues seem lighter in numbers involved these days.

I would have tackled your urge for merging in an opposite manner, I would look at the larger and in the past more generic projects like history, ships, trains - and asked (just like the WMF is trying with its operations) is there a way we can devolve? I have never seen from my experience anyone get enthusiastic about larger generic projects, it is the local identifiable items I think would see involvement.

I see nothing in rationalising projects as a benefit to anything in the general process of wikipedia operations, but a separate much longer missive/position paper is unlikely due to real life in the short term.

The proposals could be more user friendly if inactivity/organisation was not seen as something as a reason to exterminate. Imho - the reduced people on the ground and the impending threat of AI induced issues, the more small corners of obscure projects with quirks and oddities the better, regardless of the rationalising impulse. To explain further is probably not much use at this point. JarrahTree 03:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I would agree with you if there was anyone in those small corners. But the sad reality is that the original wikiproject concept isn't declining, it's already gone. For example, I've just finished reviewing the activity of history and society-related wikiprojects and of 232 total, 170 are completely the dead and almost all the rest are on life support. So my motivation here is less to rationalise and more to consolidate our efforts around the survivors. I'm thinking of a new editor who, like I did when I first started, looks for a wikiproject in their area of interest as a way to get more involved with the project. Right now there's a 73% chance that if they click a random talk page banner they'll find a lifeless page kept for historical reasons. I want to make sure that they will always find some other editors interested in what they're interested in, even if it is at quite a high level of generality.

I agree that highly-focused projects can work really well. The transport area has some great example of that. But the other end of the spectrum is also proven to work: big projects like WP:MILHIST, WP:MED, WP:WOMRED have kept up momentum by attracting people to a large topic area then using task forces or events to focus them on specific areas. So the idea is 100% to protect what works. I.e. to up-merge inactive projects until the right level of generality, but leave specialist projects that are functional and active well alone.

However in order to do that we need to be honest with ourselves about what is and isn't active. I looked at WP:AMH and saw that the last time anyone replied to a thread on the talk page was 2011, that one new participant has signed up in the last five years, and that there hasn't been any new FAs or GAs since 2020 (in fact the number of GAs has shrunk). I'm not going to try to impose my outside view, but are we really helping anyone by keeping it going? – Joe (talk) 08:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

we have a very different understanding of how projects can be understood, so as has happened so many times in the last 18 years, it looks like you will single handedly change parts of wikipedia. I fundamentally have a very different attitude, and not sure it is worth having further discussion at this point, have fun. JarrahTree 11:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

FYI - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=1233108395 - it is well worth checking - to have the wikidata link which is a brilliant parallel to short descriptions: -

Latest comment: 27 minutes ago by PFHLai in topic Errors in the summary of the featured picture

Wikidata: Wikimedia main page (Q5296), Wikimedia project page

Aliases: Home Page, Main Page, Front Page, Start Page, Top Page, HomePage, Project:Main Page

Wikimedia project page for Main Page error reporting

from memory it is in preferences that you can set it up - well worth the view... JarrahTree 11:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Amendment request: Durova: Motion proposed

Hello Joe Roe,

In the amendment request about the Durova case, a motion has been proposed to modify principle 2 by removing copyright-related wording from it.

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~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

en-paid email

Hi Joe, in your pre-proposal at WT:CSD you state the en-paid email is being actively monitored but that's not been my experience. Even when I note in SPIs I have sent an email it has taken weeks to over a month to get a response and only after someone with access to the queue contacts me directly via Wikipedia email to ask for additional details so they can find it. Well actually they want the ticket# but someone has to provide the ticket#. Given that, I assume it's backlogged? Can you shed any light? At the end of day, I would much rather send information to en-paid rather than an admin/functionary directly so it accessible to others but currently it's a hassle/inefficient. S0091 (talk) 17:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@S0091: It's monitored—I try to do five or so a week and I'm not the only one—but like many on-wiki processes there aren't enough people to keep on top of it. Unlike most on-wiki processes, it's hard to get more people to help because the prerequisites are very high (until recently only CheckUsers, now CheckUsers and admins with permission from ArbCom). I hope the recent changes ArbCom made will help, but it will take time. I would say that, while I understand that waiting weeks for a response is annoying, reports send there don't tend to be time-sensitive. If anything, waiting a couple of weeks can be helpful because it either gives good faith paid editors the chance to disclose, or gives the bad faith ones enough rope to hang themselves. – Joe (talk) 07:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Indian law

Thanks for your work on merging inactive WikiProjects. There are still quite a lot of pages with {{WikiProject Law}} and {{WikiProject Indian Law}}. (See Category:Pages using WikiProject banner shell with duplicate banner templates.) Are you planning to sort these out? Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 03:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah right, I didn't think of other namespaces. I can do that. For the record, it wasn't me that merged these two projects. That happened some time ago – I just cleaned up after noticing that it had been left incomplete. – Joe (talk) 07:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks like someone beat me to it. – Joe (talk) 11:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I thought it was you! Probably User:Tom.Reding then — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

:)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Tom! – Joe (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)