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the population when arranged in ascending or descending order, it is arranged as if the digits after the point are decimal numbers Y Aquila (talk) 16:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering if you can include Greece as Greece does have territory in West Asia? Greece can be considered as a non-contiguous transcontinental country as the islands of Rhodes, Kos, Samos, Chios, Lesbos, Kastellorizo, Strongyli Megistis, and Ro are actually closer to Anatolia (which is an Asia) than mainland Europe. Even the Europe Asia division along to the Aegean Sea places these islands on the Asian side of the divide. Please take this into consideration and have a great day! TomTom7474 (talk) 02:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No other reference work would list Greece as a West Asian country, and we reflect what reliable sources say about a subject. Remsense ‥ 诉13:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The inclusion of only the southern Caucasus is unfounded and controversial
I don't want to start an edit war so I'll post here. The claim that the Greater Caucasus Mountains are the accepted border between Europe and Asia was sourced, in other articles, from Encyclopedia Britannica - and yet, that source doesn't say that at all. Here, it isn't even sourced at all. Encyclopedia Britannica only says that it's one of many ways to separate the two... Considering the socio-political context of the North Caucasus, as well as the fact that other ways to define the border don't include it in Eastern Europe, that shouldn't be the deciding definition. If Azerbaijan and Georgia are here, there's no reason Dagestan and the rest of the Northern Caucasus shouldn't be included. @Remsense
I do not get the impulse by editors on articles like this one to do anything but look at the polities mentioned in sources and repeat them. It matters vanishingly little whether we count Russia as a West Asian polity for either Russia or West Asia unless one is imbuing the characterization with some sentimentality—or perhaps conversely, some exactitude—far beyond what can be justified. Remsense ‥ 论09:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're showing your bias. We're not talking about Russia. Russia doesn't need to count as a West Asian polity for the North Caucasian region that it is governing (in a limited fashion, as it is full of autonomous republics) to be recognized as West Asian. Crystalmenta (talk) 09:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which part of the article is this meant to change? The Caucauses watershed is a common geographic boundary, although such boundaries are less in fashion these days. Teh only place entites are listed is Statistical data, and that is a grabbag of statistics that doesn't have much relevance to the article topic anyway. CMD (talk) 11:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is based on standard definitions, not geographical pedantry. There's a map at the top of the page and you can see where the boundaries lie. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Standard definitions do NOT include Dagestan and Chechnya as places in Europe. If anything, geographical pedantry about the mountains is what caused this in the first place. I really don't understand why the status quo needs to be kept at all costs even when it's wrong. Crystalmenta (talk) 21:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added an additional source to the edit. Also, in the citations used at the top of the page, ending with "Caucasus", the entire Caucasus is mentioned multiple times as part of West Asia :) So there are now multiple sources corroborating this claim. Crystalmenta (talk) 22:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's extremely pedantic to have the article insist it's only the southern part of the Caucasus that's in Europe. None of it is. None of it ever was. Historically, politically, geographically - it's just flat out wrong. Crystalmenta (talk) 21:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source you cited does not define West Asia. This article isn't about Europe, which is what the source you cited defines instead. Remsense ‥ 论22:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you actually read the source?! It clearly states where Europe ends and West Asia begins. The line described by the source ends far north of Chechnya and Dagestan... In addition, kindly look at the sources cited already. They have the whole Caucasus listed under Asian climates, in the borders of the Asian continents, etc. Crystalmenta (talk) 22:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"In the main, this report uses the common geographical definition [of Europe] which excludes the trans-Caucasian republics, Greenland and Anatolia. The border with Asia is taken to follow the Ural mountains, the river Ural to the Caspian Sea, the Manych valley to the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea, and the Bosporus." Crystalmenta (talk) 22:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this source good?
"The most convenient geographic boundary—one that has been adopted by most geographers—is a line that runs south from the Arctic Ocean along the Ural Mountains and then turns southwest along the Emba River to the northern shore of the Caspian Sea; west of the Caspian, the boundary follows the Kuma-Manych Depression to the Sea of Azov and the Kerch Strait of the Black Sea. Thus, the isthmus between the Black and Caspian seas, which culminates in the Caucasus mountain range to the south, is part of Asia."
Again, that's not a source defining West Asia, but defining Europe in relation to Asia, so it's not actually a source here. Different geographical delineations have different parameters, so a definition simply drawing a line between Europe and Asia doesn't necessarily match up with the UN & others' geoscheme that creates divisions like "West Asia", etc. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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