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1854 in animation

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Nothing really happened in 1854 in relation to animation. The two listed events are war photography and early (but not the first) instanteneous photographs, leaving us with two births, of someone who was much later influential on animation through his cartoons, and someone who is known as an actress but was one of many people with a magic lantern show. None of this makes 1854 an in any way notable year for animation. Fram (talk) 14:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Considering the similar lack of notability for the events in e.g. the year 1856 in animation, it may be better to create something like 1850s in animation for these early decades. Fram (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The year pages are for developments in relevant fields, not "the first" or claims of the first. Both the events cited are developments in the History of film technology. Dimadick (talk) 14:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Which might make them fine entries for 1854 in film technology. Fram (talk) 14:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - A category tree which we do not have. Dimadick (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - And? How is that a reason to keep an article from a different article tree? The link between e.g. Roger Fenton and his war photography, and animation on the other hand, seems very tenuous at best. Fram (talk) 15:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Blatant WP:SYNTH. Four events are listed, two photographic firsts (neither of which is directly related to animation, except maybe in the article creator's head) and two births, only one of whom would (much later) be involved in animation. None of the sources cited that I can access mention animation. Nothing I can find in a general web search mentions both 1854 and animation, except for animations of the number 1854 and animated retellings of events in 1854. Simply put, animation as we now know it did not exist in 1854, and this article is misinformation. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- See Early history of animation and developments since 1825. Dimadick (talk) 09:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of years in animation: where the only relevant event is already covered. Owen× ☎ 18:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Warraich (clan)

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Clan fails WP:GNG. Recent draftification and redirection have both been reverted. GTrang (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP Added 1 more book reference and a newspaper reference in addition to 2 book references that are already at the article. Meets WP:GNG now...Ngrewal1 (talk) 01:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - this barely passes notability with the new sourcing, but the determining factor might be that the Jats article about the larger group is becoming unwieldy. Bearian (talk) 01:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Draftify: Entire article is barely two lines. Should be expanded or deleted. Don't see GNG either. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
COMMENT Expanded the article by adding List of Notable Warraich people from the region. Added 1 more archived reference in addition to 4 book references already there. This article is much improved now since the nomination....Ngrewal1 (talk) 20:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Jats: the target article is only 2500 words, a quarter of the size that would call for a split. Owen× ☎ 18:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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21st MMC – Sliven

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Does not cite any sources, after a google search does not seem to have any sources available on the internet, article has not been edited for 4 years and most probably contains original research TNM101 (chat) 15:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Bulgarian constituencies. The rest of Bulgaria's constitencies are in similar state, so I would recommend the same for them. Reywas92^Talk 18:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Grzegorz Stala

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Subject fails the notability guidelines for policitians. Being a candidate in an election or running unsuccessfully is not what makes a politician notable but winning the election and only if the position in itself is a significant one. Sources are either run of the mill or routine coverages, and no substantial coverage, hence, none satisfies the general notability guideline. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Juliao Monteiro

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Monteiro played one game for Timor-Leste, which turned out to be a 14 minute cameo and did not seem to ever play again. I can only find one news source that mentions him, IDN Times, which briefly mentions that he is a goalkeeping coach for Angkor Tiger FC but that wouldn't immediately make him notable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Collibra

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Profile of a corporation, recently recreated after a PROD, still fails WP:NCORP. All sources are to the organization's own website and/or press releases, or they are WP:ORGTRIV (news of expansions, capital raises, etc) that don't constitute WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, according to some sources, one of their products has been rated as the leading product in its category by Gartner's Magic Quadrant. Should not that make it notable? Sauer202 (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source for that claim is... Collibra itself! Any Gartner coverage of this is hidden behind paywalls on the Gartner website, so I haven't seen it, but I suspect it would qualify as WP:ORGTRIV under as "inclusion in lists of similar organizations, particularly in 'best of', 'top 100', 'fastest growing' or similar lists." Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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St. Mary's Cemetery (Washington, D.C.)

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No indication of notability (or anything useful or informative) in article at all, and it seems as if little beyond routine coverage can be found[1][2]. A redirect to Saint Mary, Mother of God Catholic Church (Washington, D.C.), assuming that they belong together, may be a good alternative. Fram (talk) 15:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm baffled why this "article" was created with a single useless sentence and zero independent sources. Do it in draft if you need to, not as micro-stubs without sources. Reywas92^Talk 15:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Simply not notable.— Moriwen (talk) 15:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Apparently, this was begun as a work in progress. This is already listed as a Stub. Editor Another Believer has since added more sourced content that tells us why and when it was established. — Maile (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what "listed as a stub" means, that doesn't make a page notable. None of the sources added are significant coverage. All cemeteries were established at some point, a source providing that date and little else is not a basis for notability. Reywas92^Talk 04:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking. I should have been more clear. I was only trying to make the point that the article creator was aware that this article, as is right now, is only a stub and needs work. It might have worked better for the editor to first create the basic article in their own user sub page. But it is what it is, and let's hope the editor can add enough to keep this from being deleted. — Maile (talk) 04:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But which of the sources are establishing notability? A source like [chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://planning.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/op/publication/attachments/Glenwood%20Cemetery%20Nomination.pdf this] may note when it was established, but it is a purely passing mention in a source about another cemetery and does not give any indication of notability for this cemetery. Fram (talk) 07:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on the Washington Post coverage added, which I think adds sufficient color in prose beyond just listing database records. --Habst (talk) 12:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The full text is "ST. MARY'S CATHOLIC CEMETERY -- 2121 Lincoln Rd. NE. 202/635-7444. No cemetery office. Gates are open daily from sunrise to sunset. Originally this was a cemetery for St. Mary Mother of God Parish, established in 1845 at 725 Fifth St. NW. This was a working-class cemetery first for German butchers, bakers and others, later for Italians who were stonecutters and laborers. The oldest gravestone is dated Nov. 16, 1862." That's 3 sentences in a long article about the Washington cemeteries. Fram (talk) 12:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: More research is needed for this article about a historic site, which should be kept and not deleted. The delete votes aren't even source assessments. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the time you thought it was fit for the mainstream, and at the time of the delete votes, there were no sources. And I have replied about the sources in the above discussion anyway, as did Reywas. Please, instead of making false claims about the delete votes, write better sourced articles and articles about notable subjects instead. Fram (talk) 14:51, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just because something is old does not mean it's "historic", and even if something is characterized as such, that does not make it inherently notable or needing a standalone article – this is not on even the local historic inventory. It could be covered through Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Washington#Cemeteries, or List_of_cemeteries_in_the_United_States#District_of_Columbia could also be split to its own list and include this and others without substantive coverage. If you're going to say "more research is needed", then do please it in draft or user space. Reywas92^Talk 17:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will not be commenting further, now STOP HOUNDING ME AND LEAVE ME ALONE ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replying to you on an AfD is not hounding, please don't make personal attacks. Fram (talk) 17:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Noted as an "interesting cemeter[y]" by The Washington Post in a "by no means complete list". I don't see how readers would benefit by deletion. Station1 (talk) 19:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A brief blurb about a commercial subject (and yes this is still a company, you can buy plots here for ~$1300-$3000) in a local lifestyle piece is nowhere near enough for notability. We need multiple IRS sources of SIGCOV and so far we have none. JoelleJay (talk) 02:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the Washington Post mention just confirms that this is a notable D.C. cemetery. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per WP: HEY, although an ATD is to merge with the church article. Bearian (talk) 01:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SNEAKO

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Non-notable Internet personality whose only real claim to fame is being a gadfly. BEFORE returns mostly Sportskeeda gossip (centred mainly on feuds with other online personalities sparked by his hot takes), and practically nothing of use for notability (string: sneako). Sources in the article don't help a whit for notability, mainly due to being more of the same clickbait "news" as found in search. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 19:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Karima Gouit

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Fails WP:GNG. There's hardly any reliable sources about this individual. I can only find her social media profiles, which fall under WP:SPS. Skitash (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This is entirely false. First, I have provided numerous articles from major news outlets on the talk page of Karima Gouit [3]. Second, she is a popular public figure with almost 10 million combined followers across all her platforms. I have listed multiple sources on the talk page from outlets that are recognized as reliable for non-academic matters WP:GNG, such as Le360 and Actu-Maroc.

Here are a few examples for you, that are of her "amazigh" work, not anything more than that, exactly what Skitash has been avoiding leading to this:

https://www.lesiteinfo.com/maroc/543568-karima-gouit-lance-une-chanson-amazigh-video.html

https://article19.ma/accueil/archives/161244

https://www.actu-maroc.com/krima-guit-premiere-aventure-en-serie-amazighe-pour-le-ramadan-2024/

https://ar.le360.ma/culture/3ORO6L3A3JGSZPD4ZNDBSWXHWU/

https://www.hespress.com/%D9%83%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A9-%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%AB-%D8%AA%D8%B7%D9%84%D9%82-%D8%A3%D8%BA%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A5%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%86-1406136.html

https://fr.le360.ma/culture/serie-jorouh-la-comedienne-karima-gouit-pour-la-premiere-fois-aux-cotes-de-rachid-el-ouali-255629/

https://femmesdumaroc.com/archives/karima-gouit-et-noor-a-la-deuxieme-edition-des-saturday-night-fitness

and just one of the "many" relating to the subject of her talent show: https://ar.le360.ma/culture/189199/ , https://www.alaan.cc/article/73767/ and much much more in and outside these subjects.

More sources can easily be found if you search in French, Amazigh, or Arabic. This meets the criteria. Just because you couldn’t find much, I raised the matter of reworking the page to reflect her current popularity, as she is no longer mainly known for being a talent show contestant, but for her many songs and acting roles. These can be easily cited from the sites I mentioned. However, you dismissed it entirely, focusing solely on the argument over "NOT" including the translation of her name in Tamazight, which led you to try and remove her page, again, all because of the language she primarily speaks and uses in her songs. Still, I won't talk about your behavior on matters relating to this ethnic group wiki page as it's not of the subject. TahaKahi (talk) 06:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete I don't think it's an slam-dunk delete as I think it's fairly close, but that's the side I fall on. TahaKahi, you have not helped the case for her article at all - things like social media follower numbers are not relevant and many of these sources are really fleeting mentions. And if you didn't want to talk about Skitash's "alleged" behavior, then you don't talk about it at all; making a point to announce that you're not going to talk about it is literally talking about it, and WP:ASPERSIONS are supposed to be avoided. I think you're a good faith editor, but I don't believe that you really grasp the objections that several people have brought up. Have you considered refocusing on Amazigh Wikipedia? It has fewer than 3,000 articles, so it sorely needs help more than English Wikipedia does. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 09:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, I’m not the most refined in writing in Tifinagh script, so I chose to focus on the English Wikipedia instead, as I major in English. My goal is to help refine a few subjects related to the Amazigh and revive the related WikiProject. As far as I see it, I will try to proceed more slowly with these topics, working carefully to ensure that everything is properly referenced from academic sources, especially when it comes to historical matters of the Amazigh.I’m currently working on a document to identify pages that are missing citations. I plan to rework these articles by adding proper citations, and once I feel it’s enough, I’ll begin drafting them. Unfortunately, I’ve been struggling with the Karima Gouit article, as, while she is popular, Maghrebi news outlets often write brief articles. Though such articles can be cited, they don’t always provide enough substantial information for a well-supported article.Beyond that, I’ve been trying to act in a more respectful manner and listen to the issues raised by Skitash. However, he has escalated a simple topic into a report on [4] and of course deletion of the page. This makes me feel that his behavior is not entirely in good faith. Nevertheless, I apologize if I come off as confrontational. It’s just confusing to me why this topic is being so overcomplicated for something so minor. TahaKahi (talk) 09:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. To put it concisely, this coverage is WP:ROUTINE at best. The fact this article has surprisingly little to say about the subject is telling. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carlos Magno

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Similar case to Elijeu De Jesus Belo Soares, which was deleted here. Having caps is no longer a 'free pass' and Carlos Magno needs to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC to be kept. The best that I can find is Straits Times, which mentions him once in a squad list. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1974 Surgut mid-air collision

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: There exists no reliable independent (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no (sustained) continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Mid-air collision Yet another major aviation incident that russia was completely tight lipped about, sadly, even though its tragic, due to Russia's secrecy it cant warrant an article. if this took place anywhere else it would stand as an article itself. Lolzer3k 14:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s. Incident is sufficiently covered there. Meltdown627 (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This seems to have been an accident of some sort of airline flight. Plus, there were many casualties. If we can find sources and the airline's name, I'll say keep. If not, then as the others said, merge and redirect. The article does need to get fixed. Jeanette Ma' Bakker Martin (talk to me) 00:22, 9 October, 2024 (UTC)
There is detailed information about the accident in an external link to this article. Kostja (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s per Meltdown627. This is a WP:News article without any secondary coverage to meet GNG, and there's nothing about fatal accidents that makes them inherently notable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. An air accident that kills 14 people is clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not solely inherented because of the casualty count. For the most part, a topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources which this event lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Surgut International Airport as it meets the criteria for inclusion under an accidents and incidents section of that article per WP:AIRCRASH. I disagree with that this accident is not notable nor significant in its impact or effects. The main issue here is verifiability rather than notability. As Lolzer3k points out, thanks to Soviet control and censorship of the media at the time, there are unlikely to be enough reliable, independent sources available to bring it up to meet the threshold for a stand alone article under current content policies. Dfadden (talk) 12:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There are there certainly reliable secondary sources, including in-depth coverage of this accident. One of these is actually linked to this article. Of course, these sources are nearly all in Russian, but this in itself doesn't disqualify them. Kostja (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's more of a tertiary source/databse than a secondary source. The linked entry does not cite any sources for its information and per this discussion, the website, a self-published source, seems to have multiple issues, that make it generally unreliable. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added another ref to the article from a database hosted by Scramble, the magazine of the Dutch Aviation Society [5]. Probably not enough on its own, but I would consider this an independent secondary source, quality tbd. Dfadden (talk) 01:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The website states that it's a database (a tertiary source), so it's still not a secondary source. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 01:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ayoub El Yaghlane

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He had a brief career in the lower levels of Belgium but I can't find any news or independent media coverage that actually covers him in detail. No sign of WP:SPORTBASIC being met. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neem Phooler Madhu

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Prior deletion discussion resulted in soft delete and was then recreated by SOCK. I do not see the significant coverage required to show notability, just NEWSORGINDIA press from TOI and then the republication/churnalism of that coverage in MSN.com. Claims of 600+ episodes (I removed as it was not sourced) which tells me there would be more press should the media find it worthy of notice. Appears they do not. CNMall41 (talk) 18:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rag Doll (character)

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Fails WP:GNG weak sourcing Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Flash enemies where the character already has an entry. The Starman villain is so minor it does not need a mention and the in other media versions are already included in lists on the tv show pages. Rhino131 (talk) 13:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG without better sourcing. Jontesta (talk) 15:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Marvel Comics characters: R in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Boğaziçi (Istanbul)

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Tagged uncited since 2009 and Turkish article is also uncited. Sounds plausible but probably needs a native speaker living in İstanbul to say whether this is notable. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have left a message on WikiProject Turkey if they could help with this. TNM101 (chat) 15:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have tagged the Turkish article as uncited in the hope that native speakers might add good sources Chidgk1 (talk) 06:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep: There are whole books written about this subject such as "Bogaziçi Gezi Rehberi" by Jack Deleon , and "Boğaziçi sayfiyeleri" by G. V. İnciciyan. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 04:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is also an article in Istanbul Ansiklopedisi, which is available online. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 04:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah interesting. I had never heard of tr:İstanbul Ansiklopedisi before Chidgk1 (talk) 06:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Atmaprajnananda Saraswati

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Expired but declined PROD as it was previously deleted. Result of the previous deletion discussion at an alternative title was delete. I still think the subject fails WP:NAUTHOR and the WP:GNG. Bobby Cohn (talk) 18:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Soul (app)

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Sources are not suitable according to NCORP criteria; Forbes India only has a small sentence about the app. While China Daily only relies on comments from the Soul:

According to Soul, consumers who would like to buy virtual avatars mainly come from first- and second-tier cities. They accounted for more than 44 percent of the total users. Notably, the majority of such consumers are aged between 18 and 27.

Che from Soul said the creator economy would spur innovative business models and new monetization avenues, as users continue to invent and inject vitality.

"More importantly, it has become an important platform for users and creators to build an ecosystem, which furthermore will drive the diversity of the virtual platform and its sustainable development," Che said."Creating avatars helps creators to convert hobbies, personal expressions and creativity into profits and gives birth to new professions like that of avatar creator," said Che Bin, vice-president and product manager of Soul) Qab Bi Av (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Zhang, Shuang 张爽; Wen, Hao 文浩 (2021-05-30). Wang, Yuechuan 王岳川 (ed.). "Soul全梳理：灵魂社交生态延展打造Gen-Z沉浸式虚拟空间" [Soul Overview: Expanding the Soul Social Ecosystem to Create an Immersive Virtual Space for Gen-Z] (in Chinese). Tianfeng Securities [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Futu.
  The analyst report notes: "Soul成立于2016年，以用户在平台上的弱关系(陌生人社交关系)沉淀和留存为样本，生成用户的社交画像和兴趣图谱，并为用户推荐相关内容或潜在匹配对象。叠加App上游戏化玩法的产品设计，是定位于属于新一代年轻人的虚拟社交网络。2021年3月，DAU达到910万。其中73.9%的DAU在1990年或之后出生。按投票权排序公司的前三大股东分别是Soulgate Holding Limited(实控人为创始人& CEO张璐)、Imagae Frame Investment(HK) Limited(腾讯)和Genesis Capital。"
  From Google Translate: "Founded in 2016, Soul uses the precipitation and retention of users' weak relationships (social relationships with strangers) on the platform as samples to generate users' social portraits and interest maps, and recommend relevant content or potential matches to users. The product design that superimposes the gamification gameplay on the App is positioned as a virtual social network belonging to the new generation of young people. In March 2021, DAU reached 9.1 million. 73.9% of DAU were born in 1990 or later. The company's top three shareholders in order of voting rights are Soulgate Holding Limited (the actual controller is founder & CEO Zhang Lu), Imagae Frame Investment (HK) Limited (Tencent) and Genesis Capital."
2. McMorrow, Ryan; Liu, Nian; Lockett, Hudson (2022-07-01). "Metaverse dating app popular with young people in China vies for HK listing". Financial Times. Archived from the original on 2022-07-01. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "But the headwinds to a successful listing for Soul in Hong Kong are significant. ... Wang Qingrui, an independent internet industry analyst, said Soul had cancelled its US listing after rival social app Uki took aim at its business practices last year, alleging unfair competition in a lawsuit. The case arose from two Soul employees posting pornographic images on Uki’s platform, and then reported the company for violations, leading Chinese regulators to ban downloads of its app. Soul said the two employees acted “without our authorisation” and are no longer at the company. The two employees were found guilty. Wang expected Soul’s odds would be better this time. “Trying to list in this type of market, they must already be thoroughly prepared,” he said."
3. Shen, Timmy; Qian, Long (2021-05-12). Dummer, Joshua (ed.). "Chinese Online Dating App Soul Seeks to Raise $100 Million in U.S. IPO". Caixin. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "Soulgate launched its eponymous app in November 2016, matching users to like-minded individuals online via artificial intelligence after they take a personality test and list their interests. The app is especially designed to appeal to younger adults, with 73.9% of its average daily active users (DAUs) in March born in or after 1990. ... Tencent Holdings Ltd. holds 49.9% of Soulgate via a Hong Kong unit and has an aggregate voting power of 25.7%, while Soulgate founder Zhang Lu holds 32% of the company and 65% voting power, the prospectus showed."
4. "新股前瞻｜Soul转港上市：三年合计亏损逾17亿元，腾讯默默买单" [New Stock Outlook｜Soul's Hong Kong Listing: A Cumulative Loss of Over 1.7 Billion Yuan in Three Years, Tencent Quietly Foots the Bill] (in Chinese). Zhitong Caijing. 2022-07-05. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Futu.
  The analyst report notes: "总结来看，背靠腾讯这样的“大佬资本”、营收迈入高增长通道、毛利率维持较高水平、Z世代是一片新“社交蓝海”...于关注Soul的投资者而言，这均是Soul身上不容忽视的投资亮点。不过，唯一遗憾的是，该公司目前仍未找到盈利最优解的表现，也正是促使其投资价值“打折”的主要原因。"
  From Google Translate: "In summary, with the backing of "big money" like Tencent, revenue has entered a high-growth channel, gross profit margins have remained at a high level, and Generation Z is a new "social blue ocean"... for investors who are paying attention to Soul , these are investment highlights of Soul that cannot be ignored. However, the only regret is that the company has not yet found the optimal solution for profitability, which is the main reason for the "discount" of its investment value."
5. "Soul App evolves in the direction of socializing upon hobbies to Avatar economy". The Standard. 2023-07-27. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "Zhang comes from a consultancy background. In 2016, as an internet newbie, she designed a prototype with PowerPoint and further set up a team of six people, which gave birth to Soul App, China’s popular gamified social platform featuring virtual identity and common hobbies. As of 2022, Soul attracted 29.4 million MAUs (monthly active users). Moreover, about 80 percent of users are Gen Z."
6. Law, Julienna (2023-11-27). "How Gen Z app Soul is tackling China's 'friendship recession'". Jing Daily. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
  The article notes: "Soul is still in the early stages of monetization, but the timing for brands couldn’t be better, says Hazel Diliziya, a cultural and marketing consultant at Cherry Blossoms Intercultural Branding. ... Partnerships with Soul don’t look like ordinary banner ads. Rather, Soul helps brands create virtual scenarios to pique user interest and boost engagement. For example, during the Chengdu Motor Show in 2022, Chevrolet hosted a booth with Soul where attendees could design avatars based on Chevrolet’s IP and print them out for their physical admission cards. Soul also invited all its online users to create Chevrolet-themed avatars, which brought the automobile brand nearly 63 million impressions."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Soul to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
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Iltija Mufti

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The article fails to meet the criteria of WP:NPOL. She has received media coverage primarily due to being the daughter of Mehbooba Mufti and granddaughter of Mufti Mohammad Sayeed. However, according to WP:INVALIDBIO, there is no clear indication of notability. It does not meet the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:NPOL. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 12:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:NPOL is *not* a guideline that can be failed, that is, if a subject does not satisfy the criteria it does not mean they are not notable for Wikipedia. NPOL is an inclusive measure, not exclusionary. NPOL sits separately from the GNG because it provides "presumed notability" - the idea being that a person elected to office is generally likely to have WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. FWIW, no comments to date have indicated why sourcing presently in the article does not satisfy the GNG. Regards,Youknow? (talk) 14:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman: If you have no comments on how she meets WP:GNG, then what is the basis of your Keep !vote?. There is no significant coverage available about her in the currently cited sources. Which source do you think provides SIGCOV? GrabUp - Talk 17:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ohh come on @GrabUp, I agree that there are references to the elections in the article. However, if you use Google's tools effectively, you'll find hundreds of news reports on the subject from well before the elections, which are completely unrelated to the electoral context. Best! Youknow? (talk) 09:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you list two of the best sources published before or after the election that meet WP:SIGCOV? It would be helpful if you could find them. GrabUp - Talk 09:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe Google has provided enough search tools, and you should also put in some effort. Additionally, you can refer to news articles from reputable media outlets. Youknow? (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have done my checks, and I can’t find any WP:SIGCOV sources. That’s why I voted to delete. I am asking sources from you becasue you !voted Keep, It seems your vote is not backed by any source; it’s just copy-pasted. That’s why you are failing to provide any WP:SIGCOV sources. GrabUp - Talk 15:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per this, WP:POLITICIAN or WP:NPOL is a guideline. GrabUp - Talk 14:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jannatulbaqi: WP:NPOL is a guideline. It presumes Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage as notable. The onus is on users who are seeking to keep this article to prove how this subject meets WP:SIGCOV. Your comment "if you use Google's tools effectively, you'll find hundreds of news reports on the subject from well before the elections" is not helpful in this case, and a deflection at best.Ratnahastin (talk) 15:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~: Unable to find WP:SIGCOV sources; recent coverage is trivial due to the heated election. Since she lost, she does not meet WP:NPOL. The current sources are also insufficient to satisfy WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 17:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yea an election does not mean you can't write about them and the current sources are well enough good (as per me) we just have to update it a bit Sarim Wani (talk) 13:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
just opened my laptop NDTV,Indian express,BBC,news laundry and the wire are good sources and I am not affilied or paid by anyone to write wiki articles Sarim Wani (talk) 13:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The articles from The Hindu Business Line and The Print (excluding the quotes by the subject) are convincing me to at least strike my delete vote. Additionally, a significant number of sources cover her statements, comments, and related content, contributing somewhat towards notability. However, the article should be updated, and quality sources should be added. While many sources consist of quotes from the subject, there are notable sections within these articles that provide coverage of her. Therefore, I am changing my vote to Weak Keep. GrabUp - Talk 17:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Youknowwhoistheman: ... cough ... um, attribution, please. :) Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
is there any problem? :) Youknow? (talk) 14:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What the heck? So you are now copy-pasting votes from your nominations? Lol, that means these were not based on your own judgment and checks. GrabUp - Talk 14:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I copied and pasted because I agreed with Goldsztajn. If it's wrong to agree with someone, then that's not my issue. What's wrong with that? Do you have a problem with it? Regards! Youknow? (talk) 14:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman, there's nothing wrong with agreeing with another, and I'm flattered you appreciated my wording, but as with everything here: "you must give appropriate credit". Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 16:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for not giving you the credit you deserve earlier. Youknow? (talk) 16:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes the GNG/BASIC (NB:"If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability") - multiyear indepth RS coverage available, eg: the BBC Hindi (8 April 2023), appearded on BBC Hardtalk in 2019, The Print (2022), plus widespread coverage of the recent election loss. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 16:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goldsztajn: How can interviews help meet the criteria for WP:GNG? WP:Interviews are WP:PRIMARY sources and cannot establish notability on their own. Additionally, the BBC article doesn’t provide much depth about her, as it only reports on the passport incident without offering more substantial information. GrabUp - Talk 07:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GrabUp leaving aside the status of WP:Interview as an essay, the text itself does not indicate that *all* interviews in and of themselves cannot be used to assist in establishing notablility, it depends on context. Obviously, puff pieces, PR etc are not, but HardTalk is renown as an extremely critical interview format. The BBC Hindi piece is not an interview but a news report. The Print piece includes quotes, but is not an interview, but a long, indepth examination of her life with analysis and sythesis of information. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 08:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The print piece is an interview filled with quotes from the subject. To confirm it is an interview, check the tags at the end of the article. GrabUp - Talk 08:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Print piece has 65-70 paragraphs, around half do not have quotes. The basis of her notability is not one single piece, but the existence of multiple sources. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 11:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NPOL and WP:NBIO. The subject did not make any significant achievements noteworthy nationally and internationally to satisfy notability about the subject role as politician. Sources are also poor with passing mention to sources that are not secondary independent. RangersRus (talk) 12:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• ~~Keep~~ due to the reasons above Sarim Wani (talk) 13:36, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i meant below Sarim Wani (talk) 13:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep at this point I am just being bullied by the bigger guys I did not even write something contervical Sarim Wani (talk) 13:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Sarim Wani is the creator of this article. TheBirdsShedTears (talk)

I am 99% sure NDTV,Indian express,BBC,news laundry and the wire are preety good sources while as for abp we can say something who ever filed this is probably some one who is right wing Sarim Wani (talk) 13:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sarim Wani: Assume Good Faith, there are valid grounds to suggest that the subject does not meet notability guidelines, which is why an editor nominated it for deletion discussion. Do not label someone as right-wing simply for nominating an article for deletion. AfD is a place to discuss the notability of the subject, and there is no room for politically biased accusations without evidence. GrabUp - Talk 13:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

test Sarim Wani (talk) 13:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheBirdsShedTears @GrabUp @RangersRus @Goldsztajn @Youknow? @Youknowwhoistheman

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it does not fail WP:NPOL due to "The following are presumed to be notable:
- Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them.
- Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage." judging by her name when I search it on google she has been mentioned by
- Times of India
- NDTV
- Indian Express
- Mathrubhumi
- The Hindu BusinessLine (would take too long to mention everyone by link)
- The Wire
- Scroll.in
- The Quint
- Hindustan Times
- Outlook India
- The Print
- Firstpost
- The Hindu
- BBC News
- Al Jazeera
- The Economic Times
- India Today
- Deccan Herald
- The Tribune
- Greater Kashmir
- Kashmir Observer
- Rising Kashmir
- The New Indian Express
- Zee News
- CNN-News18
- The Statesman
- The Telegraph India
- Business Standard
- Mint
- The Pioneer
- DNA India
- Republic World
- Asian News International (ANI)
- Press Trust of India (PTI)
- Reuters
- and more... which are more than enough to ensure that is passes WP:NPOL
- as for WP:NBIO "On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice" or "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" within Wikipedia as a written account of that person's life. "Notable" in the sense of being famous or popular—although not irrelevant—is secondary."
- the unusualness of iltija muftis popularity ensures this hence this is a clear too hence this is a
- Keep

Sarim Wani (talk) 13:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no it also fails WP:INVALIDBIO

That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A); relationships do not confer notability. However, person A may be included in the related article on B. For example, Jason Allen Alexander is included in the article on Britney Spears and the page Jason Allen Alexander merely redirects to that article.

It also meets WP:GNG and I quote

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A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

"Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not, particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.
CLEAR it has enough good sources like ndtv bbc news laundry greater kashmir etc. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
- The book-length history of IBM by Robert Sobel is plainly non-trivial coverage of IBM.
- Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton, that "In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice" is plainly a trivial mention of that band.
- CLEAR already explained
"Reliable" means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.
CLEAR it has enough reliable sources like ndtv bbc news laundry greater kashmir etc.
"Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected. Sources do not have to be available online or written in English. Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability.
CLEAR sources like Al Jazeera probably do that
"Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent.
CLEAR sources like Al Jazeera / BBC probably do that too

@TheBirdsShedTears brother if you don't know of the subject pleas don't flag a random complaint out of nowhere like a well you know... Siblings my enemies ayeee we got smt in common well there is a lot more common but this is one of them! Sarim Wani (talk) 13:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sarim Wani: You don’t need to post all the guidelines like spam; we already know them. Just provide summaries and include links to significant sources. Most of the sources you provided above are neither significant nor primary. They mainly quote the subject, and the articles are almost entirely made up of quotes, except for the Hindu Business Line article. I don’t think any of these provide significant coverage (SIGCOV). You mentioned Al Jazeera, Reuters, and BBC, so please cite them. GrabUp - Talk 13:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. She is leader of an party and is quite active in politics. Should retain it. Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 10:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Who is Iltija Mufti, Mehbooba Mufti’s daughter who lost in J&K? What does this mean for PDP? – Firstpost

Who Is Iltija Mufti? J&K Ex-CM's Daughter Accepts 2024 Election Defeat (shethepeople.tv)

Jammu and Kashmir election: Mehbooba Mufti’s daughter Iltija Mufti loses debut election in J&K | Latest News India - Hindustan Times

Iltija Mufti: ‘It is good J&K has a govt with full majority. We saw the dilemma we had with 28 seats’ | Political Pulse News - The Indian Express

Iltija Mufti: India looking to crush dissent in Kashmir (bbc.com)

Jammu and Kashmir election: The region goes to vote after a decade (bbc.com)

I woud quote more but I am too tired/lazy to find them Sarim Wani (talk) 14:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think her life is fairly well enough documented for this Sarim Wani (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and if you go to local newspaper(s) her life is fairly well documented

You searched for Iltija - Page 2 of 12 - Greater Kashmir Sarim Wani (talk) 14:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://scroll.in/article/954196/mummys-girl-iltija-mufti-recalls-growing-up-one-kashmirs-major-political-families

https://www.outlookindia.com/national/interview-iltija-mufti-on-dynastic-politics-life-after-abrogation-of-article-370-and-making-of-narratives-in-kashmir-news-315485

https://twocircles.net/2024sep15/450394.html

https://www.outlookindia.com/national/interview-iltija-mufti-on-dynastic-politics-life-after-abrogation-of-article-370-and-making-of-narratives-in-kashmir-news-315485 Sarim Wani (talk) 15:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note I have p-blocked Sarim Wani from this discussion as their POV has been heard. Star Mississippi 18:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article clearly meets WP:BASIC. There are plenty of sources available that address the subject in detail and many of which have already been listed here. While the current state of article is poor, it has the potential to be improved. The assertion that she has received media coverage primarily due to being a part of the Mufti family is inaccurate, in my opinion. --Ratekreel (talk) 19:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Young American Primitive

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Not seeing any evidence of passing WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete Per nom. Article is basically unsourced as the one ref provided is not an WP:RS, but even if everything in the aerticle was properly sourced this musician still does not appear to be notable. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exclusion (film)

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Article about a film that has never actually been released, not properly referenced as passing WP:NFF criteria. It is true that Deepa Mehta announced about 15 years ago that a film about the Komagata Maru was entering development -- but it's never actually been completed or released at all, and certainly not in 2014 as this article claims (per this article, which states that the film was "still in the pipeline" as of 2019.)
But the references here are mainly primary sources and dead links, which are not support for notability — and the only nominally acceptable source is a brief glancing (and likely erroneous) namecheck of it in an overview of Mehta's entire career, not coverage about this film. And while a bit of reliable source coverage can be found about her announcement that this was going into development, there's not enough of that to suggest a reason why a never-finished film could remain permanently notable despite its failure to ever come to fruition: there's no evidence that it even entered photography at all, and the search string "Deepa Mehta exclusion" mainly just brings up references to the narrative themes of Beeba Boys and Funny Boy.
So this film was simply never completed or released at all, and thus isn't permanently notable as an unrealized project. Bearcat (talk) 16:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luís Afonso

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Appears to fail WP:MUSICBIO. Quick search showed more notability for other people with this name. Unclear if this can be expanded given the handful of edits over the past 15 years since it was created. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ali Dee Theodore

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Previously Expired PROD. concern was: "Insufficient coverage in reliable sources; accomplishments relate to his company, not him, so he is not notable under WP:NMUSIC"—that still stands. This is just a largely unsourced database entry, and the provided sources do not talk about him but are generic product listing/database entries. Unless new & better sources are introduced, this individual does not appear to have enough sig, in-depth coverage. X (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Agree that the article as it stands could do with better sources - and quite a lot of work on formatting - but a quick google shows that he is notable enough and covered in news articles, Billboard magazine, etc. that qualifies him for inclusion. His music has been used a LOT in films, which makes him pretty notable. I don't have time to spend on improving it now but would like to come back to it if nobody else does. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I would get rid of all of those long lists and just keep a selection of notable films. Else could draftify until it is up to standard. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:37, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: I can't see sigcov of him personally (eg: for Billboard [6][7][8]), the format is totally unsuitable, and it's not clear at all to me what is significant. For example, He-man and the Masters of the Universe credits him for "title music" on IMDB, but when you dig he's not the main composer and there's a lot of people credited for title music[9][10]; there's no info on Hawkeye's December the 24[11]; he's in as an executive music producer for a season of Alvinnn!!! And the Chipmunks but not as composer[12][13]; he's third credited name on Underdoggs' See Me Rock It[14]. The only criterion that he looks to maybe pass is WP:NMUSIC#10 but it's likely to require a lot of digging to establish the evidence for this and to cut his article down to noteworthy works. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 07:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cherry Creek News

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This article has remained a single sentence for almost a decade on a newsletter that isn't notable. Eric Schucht (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lots of coverage for the Cherry Creek area, nothing found about this news source. The stub article now isn't useful, with no sourcing either. Oaktree b (talk) 18:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Arrested Development cast members

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Redundant to and WP:FORK of List of Arrested Development characters. --wooden superman 11:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clearly redundant when the cast is covered on the series's own page. TH1980 (talk) 23:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Arrested Development characters#Cast table — Preceding unsigned comment added by McYeee (talk • contribs) 16:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per McYeee as a valid WP:ATD. Conyo14 (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - definitely an unnecessary split, but it's still a viable search term. Sergecross73 msg me 17:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kozani Stadium

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Unreferenced, created in 2006. Merge and redirect to the (also unreferenced) Kozani F.C. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 15:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beach Hut F.C.

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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Demt1298 (talk) 13:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect to PFF Women's League#Teams – Svartner (talk) 15:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Bojnanský

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Bojnanský played a total of 187 minutes before disappearing in 2015. The only reliable secondary source I found so far is Sportweb Pravda, a passing mention on squad list. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete, no credible claim to significance and notability. Geschichte (talk) 14:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article comprehensively fails WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 15:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Subiaco Marist Cricket Club

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Fails WP:GNG. Lacks notability and significant independent coverage. The page is a borderline Orphan. DaHuzyBru (talk) 12:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Crooke

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Almost every source is PR. Many of them are interviews with the subject for promotional purposes. I'm not finding any in-depth, reliable, independent, coverage elsewhere, either, only a few passing mentions. Also does not appear to meet WP:NACADEMIC (assuming Avamere is not major). —Ganesha811 (talk) 12:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Almost all of the sources in the article are WP:PRIMARY or not WP:INDEPENDENT. I could not find any real secondary coverage outside of passing mentions in listicles about his baby gear company. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 13:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Anshuman Jhingran

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Declined twice at WP:AFC moved to main space by creator, Holding a Guinness world record is not notable in itself. Fails WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Durga Puja, Bihari

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No significant coverage except BAU news articles in regional news. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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All the Love in the World (Nine Inch Nails song)

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Even though the article for this song has virtually entirely reliable sourcing on the surface, looking at the sources closer, I think it doesn't pass this section of WP:NSONGS: "If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created." That is exactly the kind of situation I see here, and it's what it leads me to believe it should just be redirected to With Teeth. Of the sources in the article, most are passing mentions from album reviews, one is a publication posting a video of them performing it live for the first time which does not show notability, and the content and source in the "cultural references" section really don't add much of anything to the article, reliability notwithstanding. The song has not charted or been certified anywhere, as far as I can see. I can't find any additional coverage of this song, so once again, it should just be redirected to the above-mentioned article. JeffSpaceman (talk) 12:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sources are reliable and some do, in fact, go outside the scope of With Teeth reviews. KEEP Mrmoustache14 (talk) 13:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the WP:SIGCOV though? I didn't argue that any of the sourcing was unreliable, nor did I say that all of the sources were reviews of the album, merely that most of them are. Of the ones that aren't, one is a publication that talks about the song being played live for the first time, which does not establish notability, and the other one is a book about the band that briefly provides the author's opinion on the song -- the book does not devote significant time to the song, so it is merely a passing mention. JeffSpaceman (talk) 13:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect - to With Teeth per WP:NSONGS. All the coverage is just cherry-picked mentions from an album review, except for one routine mention about playing it live for the first time many years after a release. Sergecross73 msg me 15:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or Keep I haven’t checked for notability myself, but that redirect target looks good. McYeee (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should probably just say "redirect" or wait until you can articulate an actual "keep" response - saying "keep" without a rationale doesn't mean anything, as it's WP:NOTAVOTE. Sergecross73 msg me 17:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bangladesh Railway Government Chandraprabha Vidyapitha

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There was no consensus to delete this in 2014 or 2015. Following a February 2017 RFC, secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist, which until then was a main argument for keeping this. All schools are subject to the notability guidelines. Searches in English and Bengali found nothing that would demonstrate notability, nothing more substantial than inclusion in government lists of schools and passing mentions. Redirection to Paksey, where the school is located, is a possibile alternative to deletion. Worldbruce (talk) 12:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Paratoari

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No reliable sources, the magazine itself is described at South American Explorers, all the books I could find were fringe/self-published Doug Weller talk 11:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Intervac International

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No indication of notability. Google only shows some press releases and fleeting mentions. Hogo-2020 (talk) 10:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have reverted a heavily-promotional rewrite by Intervac Home Exchange (talk · contribs) from February. While that may not necessarily rectify the notability issues here (I have no opinion or further comment there), it certainly cannot have helped this article's cause and may have contributed to the eventual AfD. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Win-3 Habitat

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Lacking sources or evidence of notability. Hogo-2020 (talk) 10:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flash Element TD

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Fails to meet WP:GNG. The largest review I found is still relatively tiny. There is simply insufficient SIGCOV to justify an article at all, with the previous AfD citing mere announcements. What was good enough for 2011 is no longer good enough for 2024. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The developer of this game is listed as a co-founder of Kixeye. IgelRM (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I found a little more coverage of the game (here and here), which, while not exactly stellar, is sufficient to keep the article alongside the other sources. Cortador (talk) 10:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:NOTTEMPORARY, what was good enough for 2011 is still good enough, unless there's a very specific guideline change that negates previous arguments. -Fangz (talk)
- Also I found this academic article discussing the game. [15] and this Masters Thesis [16] -Fangz (talk)

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Keep, Fangz is right; getting discussed by academics and featuring so heavily (extended text about the game, and a statement that it was one of two games that inspired the investigation) in an MSc elevates it beyond run-of-the-mill game, and gives notability. Elemimele (talk) 11:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albedo Space

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Non notable; New York Times article (I read it completely) only provides general information (likely from the website or press-release, e.g.a "The company’s website makes no mention of imaging people, or the privacy issues. Even so, reconnaissance experts say regulators should wake up before its spacecraft start taking their first close-ups"). Also I found other sources to be not SIGCOV Qivatari (talk) 07:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Google News suggest no WP:SIGCOV and the NYT article seems like a passing mention Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 10:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Very week keep actually. The NYT article meets WP:ORGCRIT. It has editorial oversight so unless OP is able to show the publication failed to do so it can be used towards notability. By weak, I mean the other reference I found was this in TechCrunch. Parts of the article are obviously supplied by the company but there does appear to be enough independent coverage within to meet WP:ORGCRIT.--CNMall41 (talk) 07:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will solidify my opinion after a full source review, but after an abbreviated one I am currently inclined to redirect to Very low Earth orbit. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm going to go with redirect for this one, just seems too soon for now. I'm not entirely sold on the NYT article, but I think I would go for a keep if we had 3 sources of equal quality (though I'd prefer it if at least one of them was better of course). Even with how much of it is made of quotes, the parts of it that don't (and are actually about the company) clear my threshold, if barely. Unfortunately, we don't have three, and the TechCrunch doesn't quite do it for me, and nor do any of the news articles that cite the NYT article offer enough additional content to swing things. As a plus, that NYT article should be suitable as a source for a bit of content to use in Very low Earth orbit which I'm recommending as the target as well. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:49, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Christian Nzinga

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT; journeyman footballer who played on low levels in various places. Not even databases have much about him. WorldFootball records 6 games in the German Oberliga, which was the fourth amateur tier at the time. Soccerway records 312 minutes of play in the USSF Division 2. There is not even a good claim to notability here. Geschichte (talk) 07:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zakrzów, Głogów County

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This article was created by the long-inactive Kotbot. There is no equivalent article on the Polish wikipedia. Kiwipete (talk) 07:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miss Teen USA 2004

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Redirects get reverted, and an attempted draftification just got reverted as well. A WP:BEFORE search got other Miss Teen USA beauty pageants, and the current sources are low-quality. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bakanlıklar

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Tagged uncited for years and Turkish article also uncited. I searched for sources but it is hard for me to tell if this place is notable as I am not a native speaker and don’t live in Ankara. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment it is a well-known area in downtown Ankara and appears on pretty much all maps of the city. It is a bit like “Whitehall” as a term, and unfortunately literally means “ministries”. There will be sources in Turkish about the history and development of the area and its street, major buildings and historical significance, but trying to fillet that out of the general mass of items just about “ministries” would be a daunting task. Mccapra (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have tagged the Turkish article as uncited in the hope that native speakers might find good sources Chidgk1 (talk) 06:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Artic, Indiana

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Another "Baker calls it a post office and there's nothing there" pop. place "town"; in this case it might be a rail point but nonetheless seems non-notable beyond the odd spelling. Mangoe (talk) 12:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: You're saying the place names book, written by Baker, has a lot of nonexistent towns in it? USGS has it as also being present in "Illustrated Historical Atlas of the State of Indiana. Chicago: Baskin, Forster and Company, 1876." under the name "Arctic", which might imply the post office at least existed, if no town. The post office was discontinued over 100 years ago, so maybe there was just a post office building that got taken down. Mrfoogles (talk) 17:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Cinemas

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Failing to find "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" to meet WP:ORGCRIT. All sources are currently primary. AusLondonder (talk) 07:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/7-things-scott-cinemas-bridgwater-2585607 ; https://www.exmouthjournal.co.uk/news/20307914.exmouth-cinema-gets-42-000-government-funding/ and multiple other sources indicate a certain notability imv; at the very least could be redirected to list of film theater chains (currently AfDed.; same nom.) for example. I DpD the page; same nom . -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC) (nb-Needless to say I am opposed to deletion)[reply]

Yanick Abayomi

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Fourth-tier footballer in Germany, unfortunately fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG completely, with only primary sources and press releases being available. Found nothing else in Finnish media either. Geschichte (talk) 06:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoma Ishigami

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Lightyears away from meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 88 minutes in Japan. Nothing usable in ja:wiki, either primary sources or short/insignificant Gekisaka sources. Geschichte (talk) 06:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taisei Isoe

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with 2 appearanced in Japan's third league. Every one of the sources in ja:wiki are primary, nothing usable, and hardly worth mentioning. Geschichte (talk) 06:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bev (company)

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Fails NCORP; most of the coverage is devoted to the founder Alix Peaboy; the author was blocked for violating UPE policy Qivatari (talk) 07:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep - The Forbes article is a staff and with the LA Times article that is two in depth sources. SunnyScion (talk) 06:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Forbes and LA articles are not meeting NCORP as they are build around the founder Peabody and include lots of quotations. For instance, here is the LA so-called coverage based on citations:
Peabody aligned with charitable causes to help build community. “We set up an L.A. Service Workers Relief Fund and for one month donated 100% of our online sales to it,” she said. “We also encouraged the Bev community to donate to the initiative’s GoFundMe and matched the first $3,000 of donations. Bev’s sales grew 200% month over month during the pandemic.”

“Traditionally men buy wine in liquor stores while women buy wine in grocery stores,” she said. “Gallo is putting Bev at women’s fingertips she said.
In 2018 Alix Peabody, then 26 and an MFA student in screenwriting at USC, launched Bev canned wine company to pay off extensive medical bills. “I started with cans because it’s hard to create brand recognition around a bottled product,” she said. “Once you pour it into a glass, no one can tell what you’re drinking, but cans are essentially mini-billboards for the brand.”
“When lockdown hit, we had to get creative in order to reach our consumers at home,” she said. “We built a text-to-order platform in 48 hours, launched a new website designed for increased conversion and started running ads,” she said.

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Comment- They are detailing the early history of the company which is exactly what makes the article in depth. Interviews are a natural part of that research and she is properly attributing which facts came through an interview. Here is another forbes article and there is plenty in Wikipedia:Before to say Wikipedia:NEXIST. SunnyScion (talk) 08:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better Days (Robbie Seay Band album)

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Articles about albums, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NALBUMS. As usual, Wikipedia's approach to albums used to extend an automatic presumption of notability to any album that was recorded by a notable artist regardless of sourcing or the lack thereof, in the name of completionist directoryism -- but that's long since been deprecated, and an album now has to have a meaningful notability claim (chart success, notable music awards, a significant volume of coverage and analysis about it, etc.) and WP:GNG-worthy sourcing to support it.
But none of these three albums are making any notability claim above and beyond "this is an album that exists", two of the three are completely unreferenced, and the one that does have references doesn't have good ones: it's citing one review in an unreliable source, and one "Billboard chart history" that lists no actual chart positions and is present only to footnote a release date that it doesn't actually support rather than any charting claims.
As always, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much more expertise in Christian music than I've got can find the right kind of sourcing to salvage them, but simply existing isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt an album from having to pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stalin Society

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Fails WP:ORG. Of the 14 sources given, only 3 are not self-published by the Stalin Society or its affiliates. Of the 3 sources that are not primary sources, the Stalin Society is only mentioned in passing, as an affiliation of individuals the authors are criticising. A search on Google, Google Books, and Google Scholar returns zero reliable sources with in-depth coverage of the organisation. Yue🌙 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom Orange sticker (talk) 15:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep coverage isn’t great but without too much searching I found this from The Independent, this Google book snippet and this from an independent (hostile) source. The article itself is well-written, neutral and discusses the society’s views by (correctly) referencing its own statements. Mccapra (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That piece by The Independent is cited in the article, but it suffers from the same issue as the book excerpt you linked: the coverage isn't in-depth. A lot of failed political candidates and local quacks would have their own articles if mere mentions sufficed. Yue🌙 01:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep On no other platform (pardon the pun), could I imagine defending (and again!) The Stalin Society, but here goes. So the archive of the Weekly Worker (weekly newspaper of the CPGB) turns up quite an amount of material (eg Stalin Society v CPGB). The Encyclopedia of British and Irish Political Organizations: Parties, Groups and Movements of the 20th Century p.167 has a small entry on the Society. Johann Hari had a full page, 800 word piece from 2002 in the New Statesman: "Comrades up in arms" 6 October 2002, Vol. 131 Issue 4591, p28. This 2014 piece "Void Pasts and Marginal Presents: On Nostalgia and Obsolete Futures in the Republic of Georgia" from Slavic Review has multiple mentions and discussions of the Stalin Society in Georgia. Pasess the WP:GNG, WP:NEXIST. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 14:43, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the reliability and notability of some of the sources you brought up.
- The Weekly Worker is not the paper of the CPGB; it is the paper of an offshoot of an offshoot (NCP) of the CPGB, the CPGB-PCC. Those Wikipedia articles themselves lack significant coverage from reliable sources. A supermajority of the sources in both articles are from the CPGB-PCC or its sister organisations praising the CPGB-PCC.
- I am not surprised that the "Encyclopedia of British and Irish Political Organizations" contains a mention of the Stalin Society. But how is that mention significant or notable? I would argue that is not, given it is merely a brief mention.
- Admittedly a weaker rebuttal with this final point, but I would contend that, although a journalist covered the organisation in detail, there is still no obvious point of notability given in this Wikipedia article or otherwise. What has the Society done?
- Some of the previous editors of this Wikipedia article seem to believe that the British Stalin Society is the same Stalin Society in every other country. Do reliable sources make this connection? Is the Georgian and Bangladeshi Stalin Societies, for example, under the British one? Or are they merely inspired?
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Hindu University of America

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This institution is unaccredited, and SCHOOLOUTCOMES#2 cannot apply. Thus, it needs to pass the stringent WP:NORG, which it does not — there is no significant coverage of the subject in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nomination. Doesn't meet notability, fails WP:SIGCOV. Ratekreel (talk) 23:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Page does not satisfy the notability guidelines for organization. Poor sources on the page with no significant coverage. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. RangersRus (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've expanded the article by adding several references, including to a fairly in-depth profile in the Orlando Sentinel, and to a book by a sociologist who describes the emergence of the university and calls it a "milestone". Notability is arguably established, and even if it isn't, more references with nontrivial material can be found. One of the primary purposes of notability guidelines is to ensure that there is sufficient material to create an informative article, and there is clearly enough published material on this university (even though one might wish for more so that an even meatier article would be possible). For further expansion, there just needs to be effort put in to tap that material and integrate it into the article. --Presearch (talk) 23:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you noted that this "fairly in-depth profile" has no author? So, no — an advertorial (churnalism) in a local newspaper does NOT add toward notability.

Notability is arguably established, and even if it isn't, more references with nontrivial material can be found This article is at AfD because I (and others) believe that notability is not established and I am happy to see you accept that. Regrettably, we cannot speculate about sourcing esp. that we are discussing an organization in USA and not, say, Sudan! Further, WP:NEXIST cautions, However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface.

It's not my case that no sources exist — 1 and 2 from among the very few hits in Newspapers.com — but that they are trivial and/or they are routine run-of-the-mill coverage. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added several more sources, all with named authors, and arguably all from reliable sources. All of these provide "more than a trivial mention," and in some cases the university was indeed "the main topic of the source material", so each of these arguably contributes "significant coverage" for meeting general notability (WP:GNG)

Regarding the Orlando Sentinel article, that may now be moot, but it's worth noting that the newspaper is reputable, and the userfied (non-Wikipedia) essay on "churnalism" acknowledges that "If a reliable source decides to fact check a press release and write a story about it, it then meets the definition of coming from a reliable source" - that raises the question of whether an absence of named author is enough grounds to treat this article as unreliable when it's from an otherwise reputable source (have you found any duplicate versions of the same material on numerous sites?). (By the way, friend, I suspect you know that a statement that something "is arguably established" is different than stating that it is "not established") --Presearch (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"News India Times" is not even a RS in all probabilities. And, a couple of articles in India Abroad — a now-defunct publication aimed exclusively at the Indian diaspora with a peak circulation of ~ thirty thousand — do not make the entity wiki-notable; if anything, such meager coverage in such a niche publication only goes to demonstrate the non-notability.

Further, NCORP has a higher standard for sources to contribute toward notability. This is due to the levels of (undisclosed; see WP:TOI) paid-coverage frequently engaged in by business entities. So, we look for sources that do not mechanically reproduce what the organization says and show some critical engagement. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know whether it's just a republished press release or not, but just because a newspaper is small, defunct, or aimed at a particular audience does not mean that it is not reliable as a source. Besides, 30,000 people is a large number. If there's any good reason to believe that it is not an RS or is a press release, then I see your point, but just size does not disqualify sources. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep. I get 290 hits on Newspapers.com, including the fairly substantial Mark I. Pinsky, "School of Thought: Hindu University begins journey in teaching... with a degree of karma", The Hilton Head Island Packet (July 3, 2004), p. 1-C, 3-C, and Amy Limbert, "Kuldip Gupta, 66, helped found, lead Hindu University of America", The Orlando Sentinel (February 9, 2007), p. B6. Also, "Hinduism: Studying the ancients", The Atlanta Constitution (September 28, 1996), p. G4; "Beavercreek: Online Hindu classes", Dayton Daily News (January 9, 2021), p. B3. BD2412 T 01:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't meet notability, fails WP:SIGCOV. Plus the clash between editors about it being promo (see history) makes me uneasy. The Banner talk 14:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source listing:

https://www.rediff.com/news/2007/nov/20ia.htm -- Rediff -- author unspecified -- significant coverage -- does not seem like a press release
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/varanasi/Prez-of-US-vedic-univ-visits-BHU/articleshow/4928958.cms -- Times of India -- probably republished press release
https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/news/indianamerican-entrepreneur-donates-usd-1m-to-hindu-university-of-america-101680149211128.html -- Hindustan Times -- author unspecified -- unclear if press release?
https://www.proquest.com/docview/2810929379/ -- Hindustan Times, very old -- inaccessible
https://search.worldcat.org/title/60630626?oclcNum=60630626 -- also inaccessible
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2002/02/09/a-foundation-for-learning-understanding-2/ -- Orlando Sentinel -- author unspecified -- very significant coverage, clearly not a press release
https://search.worldcat.org/search?q=n2:1071-0248 -- Inaccessible News India Times, possibly a press release
https://search.worldcat.org/issn/0046-8932 -- Inaccessible India Abroad
https://books.google.com/books?id=DxneawQ8sKQC -- published book -- "Two other milestones during this period were the establishment of a Hindu University of America in Florida and..." -- cited as having a significant description of it
https://web.archive.org/web/20210613071213/https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/special-session-on-bhagavad-gita-188605 -- it's just a news article happening to have a quote from the university president

So the book, the Orlando Times article, and the Rediff article seem like good sources, even if the latter two have no author listed for some reason. The book seems to think it is significant in the history of what it recounts.

Voting Keep in absence of these sources being discredited, because those three are good. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The RS Noticeboard considers both Rediff News and the Orlando Sentinel to be reliable sources. Although neither article has a byline, these publications provide enough WP:SIGCOV to satisfy WP:NORG. DesiMoore (talk) 15:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Raw

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Article fails WP:NMUSIC, there is some material online about him but none of it mentions things needed to support notability. Dr vulpes (Talk) 03:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: What? Reading Beans 08:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject passed ~~WP:MUSIC~~ WP:CREATIVE. He has released three different albums, he is a notable representative of Igbo raps with enough collaboration with other notable musicians. He also has reliable coverages for verifiability some of which are 1, 2, 3.Ibjaja055 (talk) 09:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Ibjaja055 so the sources you provided don't support notability as per WP:NMUSIC. But there might be sources in Igbo, do you know where I might be able to find them? I'm not an expert on Igbo or Nigeria so if you could point me in the right direction I'll try to find some sources and add them in. If you think there are offline sources then we can just send this to draft until they can be added.

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Premium Times	~ Looks to be independent but it's hard to tell.	Appears to be reliable after reading a few other articles	Article is 177 words and mentions that he has views on music piracy. Claims he's won awards but doesn't mention them	? Unknown
Daily Post	I'm not 100% sure but from reading some random articles it appears to be	Articles have writers and appear to be reporting properly.	Article is 125 words long and is about Mr Raw getting a shout out on Instagram	✘ No
Daily Trust	Appears to be, not 100% sure but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt	Has other articles that appear to be	Entry in the article is under his old man and is only 119 words	✘ No
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@Dr_vulpes Thank you for your prompt reply and I am also sorry for my late reply too. The sources I provided establish that the subject is a prominent figure in Igbo rap, and successors have acknowledged this by referencing him. The citations in the article may not fully meet the criteria of WP:GNG but they should be sufficient to pass the WP:SNG for WP:CREATIVE
The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique.
Therefore, Mr Raw is an important figure of Igbo rap creative community and he is even the one credited with creating the new concept (Igbo rap). Ibjaja055 (talk) 10:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : No other coverage to proof notable than being hospitalized due to a car accident. The rest news are interviews.--7G🍁 (🪓) 11:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: @Ibjaja055, that seems like a good reason to keep the article but do you have any sources saying that (i.e. that he originated Igbo rap or is an important figure)? That is what I usually see asked for in these discussions, and I think it would be helpful. I see he says it in a source from the Igbo rap article but I can't find anyone other than him saying it explicitly. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mrfoogles Thank you very much. This is the source of another important figure in Igbo Rap confirming that Mr Raw pioneered it Ibjaja055 (talk) 07:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a quote from someone else rather than the newspaper saying it directly, though (although its adjacent). This article also credits him as a pioneer, although it does seem rather promotional of its (not him) subject, but that could likely be just an enthusiastic journalist. This other article seems to have a good account of the origins of Igbo rap but is a 404 and not in the internet archive. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And actually here’s another article, oddly enough also talking about another person doing Igbo rap. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, based on the widespread consideration as the pioneer of a music genre. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iberian race

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The article fails WP:GNG, all its source are primary sources from about 100 years ago, written by "race theorists" (see Scientific racism). From a short look at the given sources it is not even clear that the term "Iberian race" ever meant something else than just "Iberian people". The article "Continental Nordic race" by the same creator was reduced to a redirect for similar problems, see WP:Articles_for_deletion/Continental_Nordic_race. Rsk6400 (talk) 05:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG. Whatever coverage there might exist in modern sources (if it exists at all), it would be in the context of describing racial essentialism as an obsolete concept of anthropology, and not to propose "Iberian race" as real and notable entity. We don't have to create articles that might have had its place as entries in an encyclopedia of the early 1900s, but not in 2024. Also, the "Features" based on outdated and non-reliable sources blatantly insinuates in Wikivoice that "Iberian race" is a thing ("is known"), so the obvious purpose of this article is to legitimize pseudoscience through the backdoor. –Austronesier (talk) 11:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete suitable perhaps for the 1911 Britannica, but not the 2024 Wikipedia. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional keep: Wikipedia is full of various depreciated/obsolete/historical racial classifications like this one; see Category:Historical definitions of race. As long as the current scientific consensus on the non-existence of various human races is clearly stated and not contested within the article text ... I don't see a problem. These kind of 'historical definitions' can sometimes provide a useful context to interpreting the past. Vlaemink (talk) 12:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ara Paiaya

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With persistent sockpuppetry and massive COI issues, I think it would be best to Wikipedia:Blow it up and start over TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 05:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't know about the matter but the article seems to have no problems now (other than having basically no content). It's kind of already blown up/blanked and started over as far as I can tell. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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CiberCuba

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I originally G11'd this article. In addition to maintaining that this is pure advertising, I have been unable to find significant coverage of this media outlet. Source assessment:

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[17]	NYT	NYT	brief mention about the site being made inaccessible in Cuba
[18]	based on outlet's reporting	BBC	crediting the outlet for reporting on the name of a person
[19]		deprecated; see WP:MARTI
[20]	USA Today	USA Today	does not mention the outlet
[21]	based on the outlet's reporting	NYT	crediting outlet with reporting on transport of dolphins
[22]	direct quotation of the outlet	BBC	brief mention in article about an ostrich meme
[23]	article subject's site
[24]	article subject's site
[25]	quotes an interview that the outlet did with Joe Biden	Washington Post	brief quotations from the outlet
[26]	quotes an interview that the outlet did with Joe Biden	France 24	brief quotations from the outlet
[27]	list of Marco Rubio's articles on outlet's website
[28]	television news story based on outlet's reporting and interview with its reporter	Telemundo
[29]	television news story based on outlet's reporting and interview with its reporter	Univision
[30]	article subject's site
[31]	English translation of SembraMedia article published by the Global Investigative Journalism Network	SembraMedia appears to be an advocacy organization and it's not clear how independent they are from funders.	borderline
[32]	Pulitzer Center		does not mention the outlet
[33]	News Whip	appears to be reliable	briefly mentions how many news interactions it has had
[34]	article subject's site
[35]	Cubadebate.cu	first image in the article looks like a conspiracy theory web	brief mention in a quote from another source
[36]	Fidel Castro fansite	Fidel Castro fansite

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Comment. I agree with the nominator that the article has a promotional tone and structure. However, in reviewing the sources during New Page Review, I considered the Radio Marti story and the Global Investigative Journalism Network story to constitute SIGCOV, which is why I removed the notability tag. However, I did not realize that RSN had deprecated Radio Marti a couple months ago, which would obviously make this ineligible to contribute to GNG. As a result, I won't object to deletion here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971 @Oaktree b@Voorts If Radio Martí was deprecated a few months ago, but the source you're referring to predates the deprecation, it doesn't necessarily mean that all articles from Radio Martí should automatically be deprecated? or bold yes? 2.137.154.172 (talk) 13:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There's coverage here [37] and here [38], but it's mostly just briefly discussing the site. I'm not sure. Oaktree b (talk) 23:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment voorts, Dclemens1971, Oaktree b - if Radio Marti was deprecated a few months ago, but the source is older, does that mean all the articles from that Radio should be deprecated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.137.154.172 (talk) 13:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Deprecation applies to the source no matter when it was written unless otherwise stated, not just after the date of depracation. voorts (talk/contributions) 14:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What article are you looking at exactly on Radio Marti? Oaktree b (talk) 15:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the IP editor is referring to the fact that the Radio Marti article cited here pre-dates its deprecation. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like it was only depreciated as a source in April 2024 [39]. I would look for better sources if you have them; we could consider articles from before April 2024, but it wouldn't be the best choice. Meaning, we can use them, but in addition to other, better sources. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was deprecated in May when I closed the RfC deprecating it. The deprecation was not limited to May 2024 forward and my understanding is that deprecation is retroactive/applies to any of the source's articles unless otherwise stated (for example, the New York Post deprecation is limited to a particular time period), so we can't consider any articles from the source. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Simply for the fact that I can't find extensive coverage about this news source. I've found a few book references, but those are rather limited. Oaktree b (talk) 20:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts The article in Pullitzer Center clearly defines the source as CiberCuba, there is a link to the history in Spanish in Cibercuba and the Cibercuba logo is displayed prominently in the headline. Reference [16] [40]https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/anguish-and-heartache-over-2015-building-collapse-havana-spanish

In this article from IWPR: [41]https://iwpr.net/global-voices/cubas-internet-blocked-pages-and-chinese-tech also mentioned CiberCuba as well as others.

This study from USENIX, mentions CiberCuba as one of sites censored in Cuba: [42]https://www.usenix.org/system/files/usenixsecurity24-ablove.pdf

The State Department, in its 2023 Report on International Religious Freedom in Cuba cites CiberCuba, in the Section III, Status of Societal Respect for Religious Freedom

The US Embassy in Cuba cites CiberCuba (twice) in its report 2020: Informe de los Derechos Humanos – Cuba: [43]https://cu.usembassy.gov/es/embassy/official-reports/hrr-2020/

There are more references, but I do not know if this is the right place to send this. Lockincuba (talk) 12:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a discussion about whether CiberCuba should have its own Wikipedia article under the guideline for companies. Specifically, this discussion is about whether there has been in-depth coverage of CiberCuba in independent, secondary, and reliable sources. Merely being cited by another source of briefly mentioned by that source does not qualify.

I see that this is your first post on Wikipedia. How did you learn about this discussion? voorts (talk/contributions) 12:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this "delete" dicussion in the top of Cibercuba wikipedia page.

I appreciate your answer with a link to "Notability", I see your point.

My answer were more in the sense to complete the table that is posted above in this disscussion, and the issues cited there.

I do not know if there are in depth articles about Cibercuba. I believe tha a local media that is widely cited (even in major international outlets or GOV sites) or even in Wikipedia (hundreds of references in Wikipedia point to Cibercuba both in english and spanish), and consistently have a large audience (of cubans or related to Cuba) is notable, and deserves a place in Wikipedia.

I know this is not a typical source but you could see how Cibercuba compares to other media: [44]https://www.similarweb.com/es/website/cibercuba.com/competitors/

Sorry if it is not what you were asking. Lockincuba (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just found this: [45]https://gijn.org/stories/14-independent-news-sites-changing-cuban-journalism/ , it is not just about Cibercuba, but it provides some information about them. Lockincuba (talk) 16:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe tha a local media that is widely cited (even in major international outlets or GOV sites) or even in Wikipedia (hundreds of references in Wikipedia point to Cibercuba both in english and spanish), and consistently have a large audience (of cubans or related to Cuba) is notable, and deserves a place in Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, "notability" has a specific meaning, that a topic has received in depth coverage. Being cited by Wikipedia or other sources does not establish notability. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is really interesting this Notability thing. I just found this guide Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers/Notability, which give us a slighty different approach to a news site like Cibercuba and specificcally address the issue at the core of this discussion, and I quote:

"Newspapers can have a significant impact on the areas they serve, and in representing those areas to the wider world. Because its impact may be felt over a long period of time, a newspaper may be very significant, without attracting the kind of general review in other publications that would most handily fulfill Wikipedia's general notability guideline.... Additionally, while newspapers and magazines may review and critique other works of non-fiction (books, documentaries, scholarly works) it is not customary for newspapers themselves to receive the sort of reviews and critiques that often inform notability in other non-fiction realms."

Although there are some points to consideer that are not available about Cibercuba, being and independent (censored) organization in Cuba, there are specific points that are relevant to them, among them:

- It is referred to in one or more strong reliable sources as the newspaper of record for a certain locale, in the reputational (i.e., subjective) sense.

- Its content is or has been frequently syndicated or republished in other reliable sources

- Its articles are repeatedly cited (or its scoops frequently credited) by other reliable sources

In any case I also found some articles in other media that gives specific coveraga to issues where Cibercuba team were the actual news:

[46]https://www.14ymedio.com/internacional/mariela-castro-reporteros-conferencia-espana_1_1052659.html

[47]https://www.elnuevoherald.com/noticias/america-latina/cuba-es/article222703500.html

[48]https://cpj.org/2020/01/cuban-reporter-iliana-hernandez-charged-with-illeg/

[49]https://www.14ymedio.com/cuba/ayuda-matthew-cuba-baracoa-damnificados_1_1060447.html

[50]https://www.diariolasamericas.com/cultura/artistas-celebran-aniversario-cibercubaen-miami-n4126518

[51]https://www.americateve.com/exitosos-emprendedores-cubanos-quieren-abrir-oficinas-cuba-n885575

I even found a Master thesis in an Spain university that it is focused in compare Cibercuba and Cubadebate (one official/goverment funded news organization):

Communication of risk and crisis in the digital press from the informative treatment: A study of the fire in the largest fuel depot in Cuba in the Cubadebate and Cibercuba media

[52]https://idus.us.es/bitstream/handle/11441/155643/TFMCyC_comunicacionderiesgo.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Hope this will help the "case" of Cibercuba deserving a place in the Wikipedia. I truly believe it belong here.

Thanks Lockincuba (talk) 14:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that the sources you shared establish notability under the notability guideline for corporations. The WikiProject Newspapers essay on notability that you cited has not gained consensus in the community. here is my assessment of the new sources:

Created with templates {{ORGCRIT assess table}} and {{ORGCRIT assess}}
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Secondary?
[53]	14ymedio	It appears that most sources talk about the outlet in terms of how it has been dealt with by the Castro government; there's no clear editorial standards on their website		article is about the publication's staff being kicked out of an event
[54]	El Nuevo Herald			article is about the publication's staff being kicked out of an event
[55]	Committee to Protect Journalists statement advocating for dropping charges against CiberCuba reporter	advocacy organization
[56]	14ymedio post that clearly takes a side on a political issue and is aligned with CiberCuba	It appears that most sources talk about the outlet in terms of how it has been dealt with by the Castro government; there's no clear editorial standards on their website	brief mention about Change.org petition and censorship
[57]	Diario Las Américas article that appears to largely rely upon interviews/information obtained from CiberCuba journalists			article is about the publication's third birthday event
[58]	América TeVé article that recounts a panel talk where a CiberCuba editor spoke
[59]		master's theses are not reliable sources

Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 03:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Even if there is not consensus the page was keep there, linked and it express an issue common to all news organizacions: "it is not customary for newspapers themselves to receive the sort of reviews and critiques that often inform notability in other non-fiction realms, therefore I believe should be taken into account.

I found some precense of CiberCuba in TV with interviews:

- Interview of the TV program of America Teve dedicated in exclusive to some espionage documents revealed by Cibercuba, with two of their journalists: [60]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mf6xo3z9iI

- Another interview of a Cibercuba journalist about corruption in a Cuban medical organization: [61]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzzadyr5l8&t=49s

I found some coverage in the officialist media of the cuban regime to criticize Cibercuba work. There are articles in .cu, domains (which are all official cuban organizations), tryong to discredit Cibercuba work. Are those critics notable coverage?

I tried to replicate your tablewith the references that were not included, but it did not work:

| GIJN || Yes || Yes || Yes || ? || ?

|-

| IWPR || Yes || Yes || Yes || ? || ?

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| Usenix || Yes || No || No || ? || ?

|-

| U.S. Department of State || Yes || Yes|| No || ? || ?

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| The US Embassy in Cuba || Yes || Yes || No || ? || ?

|} Lockincuba (talk) 17:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it is not customary for newspapers themselves to receive the sort of reviews and critiques that often inform notability in other non-fiction realms This is the opinion of some people in the WikiProject that wrote that essay, and it's an opinion that I happen to disagree with. Notable newspapers are regularly written about in nonfiction books, magazines, other newspapers, etc. Relying on another newspaper's reporting or interviewing its journalists about a story or reporting on a story that the outlet broke are not, however, secondary, independent, reliable sources. Additionally, the US embassy, the Cuban government, and official Cuban media/outlets loyal to the Cuban state are not reliable sources. Reliable sources are sources with a reputation for fact checking that have editorial guidelines. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand considering the Cuban government and affiliates non-reliable, but I see no problem with the US Embassy -- I imagine they review their communications before they are sent out. I also don't think that the 14ymedio and El Nuevo Herald articles above are non-secondary: they are about the CiberCuba's staff, not their own staffs. And the 14ymedio posts taking a political stance in support does not make it non-independent: you can be independent of someone and still support them. So the El Nuevo Herald article would be a qualifying source here, I think. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There is significant coverage and if Ecured exists, it is an unreliable encyclopedia because this alternative and very relevant dissident media cannot exist in being supervisors of the Cuban dictatorship. My position is to maintain. 181.197.42.215 (talk) 18:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A news web site with millions monthly pageviews Similarweb, a verified Facebook page with 3.5 million followers CiberCuba FB page, with 260K indexed pages in Google, more that 10 years producing news, where THE two US presidential candidates where interviewed in 2020 Donald Trump interview, Joe Biden interview, as well as US senantors, mayors and other tp level politicians, with their news cited by the thousands in international media, including NY Times, BBC, France 24, Washignton Post, Telemundo and many others (see links above), with hundreds of citations in Wikipedia (where coincidentally, some pages were created in great part based on references from CiberCuba), with citations in the US state department and other .GOV sites its by all standards Notable. As Dan Rather said: “The best journalists are not part of the story; they are observers who gather facts and relay them.”.

Lockincuba (talk) 18:58, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There are two delete !votes: my nom and oaktree. Then there's a keep !vote from an IP that was blocked for being disruptive and another from an SPA that hasn't really grasped NCORP. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still, two Delete "votes" and two weak Keeps is not a strong consensus. I can see why this discussion was relisted, to see if a firmer consensus can be established. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for any confusion as an SPA who may not fully grasp NCORP. I just want to clarify that I am not interested in being a Wikipedia editor, but I joined this discussion because I strongly believe that deleting the Wikipedia page of CiberCuba would be a significant mistake. I have outlined my reasons for keeping the page above.

That said, I would like to provide some examples before leaving the conversation. There are several pages on Wikipedia, such as Ahora (newspaper), Guerrillero (newspaper), Vanguardia (Cuban newspaper), among many others, which have not undergone the same level of scrutiny. These "outlets", are controlled by the state, the PCC (Cuban Communist Party), the UJC (Union of Young Communists), etc. They publish the "official" version of news, that are mostly propaganda or just fake news. Their Wikipedia pages have not references, external links, citations, and seems created in bulk.

I believe it's important to consider consistency. Lockincuba (talk) 21:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't disagree that relisting was appropriate, I just wanted to make that note. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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leaning Redirect: I'm not seeing clear sigcov, though it looks like there is some level of coverage here, and this and this has some extremely limited coverage. There may be other useful sources via scholar.google.com which have something better but I can't view them . It's probably reasonable for Independent digital media in Cuba#Cibercuba to continue to exist -- though it needs to be properly referenced, etc etc -- and if it is then redirection there as an WP:ATD is preferable to deletion. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 05:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given a significant amount of coverage seems to come from one event involving their reporters, this seems like it might be reasonable. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aurélien Lechevallier

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. This article is almost entirely based on one primary source. A search for sources found routine coverage of ambassador activities but no WP:SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 04:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Adrian Parr

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Despite being successful in her career, this researcher does not seem to meet WP:NACADEMIC. There is no verifiable demonstration of notability in this article, most of it is promotional content without proper sources. The documentary she co-produced could be notable, but she herself does not seem so. All online articles I found related to her were either written by her or just routine announcements. Badbluebus (talk) 03:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: the content removed in this recent edit seems to include, in amongst excessive verbiage, enough recognition of her work to make her notable. PamD 08:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International Aerospace Quality Group

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Nominated for deletion as all of the results from a WP:BEFORE search returned purely trivial mentions of the subject meaning that this article cannot possibly have the potential to pass GNG. This could be a good addition to a list page related to the field of aerospace engineering, however according to guidelines, this article does not fit Wikipedias mission. Thanks! Wibbit23 (talk) 02:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sarah Walker (television presenter)

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An autobiography with questionable notability. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 02:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Most importantly, the page was created by the subject of the article herself which could be grounds for WP:G11. Other than that, there is nothing really to solidify her notability other than BBC which just confirms that she worked there. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Firestorm enemies

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WP:OR without independent sources or any justification of the notability of the group. Fails other policies about what Wikipedia is not, like "Wikipedia is not a directory". Jontesta (talk) 02:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Firestorm in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE and send any redirects to that page to their respectful List of DC Comics characters pages. --Rtkat3 (talk) 23:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Completely unsourced list, most entries of which are minor, non-notable characters. Even most of the blue links are just redirects to unsourced entries in other character lists. No objection against actually adding sourced information to the Firestorm (character) article regarding notable, reoccurring adversaries such as Killer Frost, but merging would not be appropriate due the complete lack of sources here. Rorshacma (talk) 00:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - We can still WP:PRESERVE bits of this information on the Firestorm page just like how @Shooterwalker: proposed in the AFD discussion for the List of Hawkman enemies. --Rtkat3 (talk) 01:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mount Huaguo

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WP:BEFORE shows that this is barely mentioned in reliable sources which is not enough to pass WP:SIGCOV. There may be other elements of the novel that could be notable but this is a very minor element. Jontesta (talk) 01:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It's only on the 53rd page of Google Scholar results for the pinyin version of the article subject that you start academic papers without the pinyin in the title. Almost all of them are inaccessible to me, but from what is accessible, it seems there is a lot of in-depth research. For example, this Korean paper [62][63] is a 30+ page article analyzing the location from a Buddhist perspective and appears in an accredited journal indexed by the Korean Studies Information Service System and DBpia, both of which are used by western research libraries (e.g. [64] [65] from the University of Toronto). Can you explain why your BEFORE research led you to conclude that literally 100s of Chinese scholarly articles with the subject in the title actually barely mention the subject? Although the article would obviously be improved by citations, WP:NEXIST seems to obviously apply here. Perhaps reaching out to editors who are more familiar with and have access to Chinese-language sources would be helpful (e.g. WP:CHINA) instead of deletion. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 16:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are sources that talk about the setting, but not this singular setting. The Flaming Mountains are one such example of a notable article, or even the identically named Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu) that we don't want to confuse this mountain with. I have not seen evidence that this is notable as a singular and distinct article. Jontesta (talk) 19:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I literally provided an example of an article that is about the fictional setting. The title of the Korean article is "A Buddhist reading about Mountain of Flowers and Fruits(花果山) in Journey to the West(西遊記)". That is obviously not about any real life location.

Filtering the results to also include "西遊記" ("Journey to the West") allows us to home in on again, multiple pages of articles about the fictional mountain. For example: "汤克勤. "自由家园的建构与超越——《西游记》“花果山” 新解." 广州大学学报: 社会科学版 10, no. 3 (2011): 60-65. (via Google Translate: Tang Keqin. "The Construction and Transcendence of a Free Homeland: A New Interpretation of "Mount Huaguo" in Journey to the West." Journal of Guangzhou University: Social Sciences Edition 10, no. 3 (2011): 60-65.) and 许兆康. "试析《西游记》之花果山的真实地点." 神州民俗 4 (2011): 150-153. (via Google Translate: Xu Zhaokang. "An Analysis of the Real Location of the Flower-Fruit Mountain in Journey to the West." Chinese Folklore 4 (2011): 150-153) both appear to be focused on the fictional mountain foremost.

I'm not familiar enough with the research, but if the Huaguo in Jiangsu has academic consensus for being the inspiration for the literary version, then perhaps a merger is warranted as an alternative to deletion. At the very least, there appear to be many academic articles describing how Lianyungang has used the connection for tourism, though some articles seem to propose alternate locations. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, some of those sources discuss Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu), the real location. I still don't see how this interpretation of it justifies a second alternative article. (The Korean article doesn't focus on the right mountain.) I can see the good faith in discussing an WP:ATD like merge, but there would be very little to keep since this article is totally without sources. Jontesta (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have provided prima facie proof that at least three scholarly articles are primarily focused around the fictional mountain, which is usually enough to meet WP:GNG. I do not have access to these articles/do not read Korean, but given the very high amount of Google Scholar hits for both the mountain and the work, it seems very likely that more academic work on the matter exists.

"The Korean article doesn't focus on the right mountain" Not sure what you're talking about here. The title of the Korean article is "A Buddhist reading about Mountain of Flowers and Fruits(花果山) in Journey to the West(西遊記)". As far as I know, there is only one Huaguoshan in the book. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In addition to User:Patar knight's points above, there are several sources cited at zh:花果山 (西遊記) about different theories as to what real mountains the fictional mountain may have been based on. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu) where this is already covered. Journey to the West takes place in the (mythologized) real world and we don't have separate JTTW articles for the Silk Road or Emperor Taizong. I would consider a merge, but there is nothing sourced here to WP:PRESERVE. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Of course, this place is fictional, but note that it has been identified with several real-life mountains and a major subject of Chinese literature. In the modern era, many mountain areas have been established as Mount Huaguo, which has become a popular tourist attraction in China. I also oppose merging with Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu), one of many inspirations for the fictional mountain, because it can be misleading. There are more than eight mountains identified as the real Mount Huaguo. This mountain is more notable or significant than Lonely Mountain or any other mountain listed in Category:Fictional mountains. Moreover, Journey to the West is not just a random work of fiction; it is one of the most significant works of Chinese literature. It is perfectly reasonable that characters or places from it have their own pages. The fictional Mount Huaguo is highly discussed by many scholars and historians, and there is a substantial amount of literature to explore and research on the subject. The sources could be improved, and here are many suggestions for scholarly articles in Chinese: [66], [67], [68], [69], [70] and books [71], [72], [73], Exploring the Mystery of Huaguo Mountain, The Birth of a Flower-Fruit Mountain and news coverage [74], [75], [76], [77], [78], [79]. I can see you are a nominator for the deletion of fictional subjects according to your recent contributions. Please note that subjects from major Chinese literature are not comparable to the Western ones you may be familiar with, and they are not the same as the fictional subject articles that you've nominated for deletion through the AfD process. Sacred Chinese novels, such as Investiture of the Gods and Journey to the West, are fictional but intertwined with Chinese folk religion, becoming a national source of spirituality. For example, Sun Wukong is a fictional character in the novel, but the Monkey King is worshipped as a god in the Taoist pantheon, with many temples established in Chinese-speaking regions. These are more than just fictional characters. Yes, Chinese folk traditional culture may be confusing or unfamiliar to white people like you, but please respect Asian culture. Well, note to the nominator: it's fine if you're not knowledgeable in Chinese folklore, but please do some research before making a blind AfD nomination. Thanks. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 19:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Really? There is no personal attack. Referring to a Western native as 'white' is not intended as a personal attack or based on their race or ethnicity. The white is officially or legally referring to the Europeans. This is a legal and polite usage. If this usage is marked as a personal attack, trying to change it in the Oxford Dictionary won’t address the issue. Why so serious?. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 02:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that you don't know anything about the background of your fellow editors unless they have chosen to disclose this, you don't know their race, ethnicity or nationality and sometimes, you don't know their gender. So don't make assumptions about them about who is "white" and who is "Asian". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clear keep. @Patar knight has provided reliable sources, and an IP editor (despite other statements) has provided additional justification of notability. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on sources found, notability concerns have been allayed. Daranios (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Magicians characters

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The article is mostly unsourced or cited to unreliable sources. WP:BEFORE did not indicate WP:SIGCOV but I could understand a redirect to The Magicians (American TV series). Jontesta (talk) 01:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Found two further relevant secondary sources: On The Magicians, knowing the system is rigged to crush you is part of becoming an adult, Apocalypse TV, p. 149-163. Daranios (talk) 15:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There seem to be more secondary sources dealing with the adaptations of the characters into the TV series than the book versions of the characters, but judging from the nomination I assume we can agree that both types are within the scope of our article here. Now the article currently is in rather bad shape and would likely need trimming but especially additions of sourced commentary: In addition to the two sources above and the Slate article already referenced, We Don’t Need Another Hero: The Magicians’ First Season, Ranking the characters of The Magicians, The Goddess Myth in Contemporary Literature and Popular Culture, Thinking Queerly - Medievalism, Wizardry, and Neurodiversity in Young Adult Texts and Posthumanism in Young Adult Fiction, p. 227-246 all discuss The Magicians characters as a group and individuals to varying degrees. These sources easily provide enough commentary to furnish a full encyclopedic article. And there are many more secondary sources out there which can give more details on some aspect or other of our topic here. So let's not skimp on the WP:BEFORE search! Daranios (talk) 10:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mecklenburgian invasion of Sweden

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Delete as WP:COPYVIO. The article is a direct translation of Sundberg 2010's entry for this war, with some selection of content (some sentences/paragraphs are not included). See the article talk page for side-by-side comparisons. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support. It's not a one-to-one translation, but the content is close enough that when doing a side-by-side-comparison, it's obvious that they are not sufficiently independent. However, this should probvably be handled through the process for copyright violations, see Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Copyright violations. Andejons (talk) 07:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What parts of the text needs to be rewritten or reworded? GusGusBrus (talk) 20:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've now replaced the article text with the copyvio template, but I guess the AfD process can also continue. The copyvio gets deleted either when the AfD discussion is concluded, or when a copyvio admin reacts to the template. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it's rewritten, shouldn't it stay tho? Tinkaer1991 (talk) 17:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
History should still be purged. IMO, it is easier to just delete and start anew. (We can save the infoboxes etc. to a sandbox) Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, as of now. Although it should stay if rewritten. Tinkaer1991 (talk) 22:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already is rewritten. GusGusBrus (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GusGusBrus, I've started a discussion about WP:close paraphrasing on your talk page (I should have done this earlier, to be honest), but let me also state here why the current changes to the article are insufficient.

Here's an excerpt from article Copyright: Copyright is intended to protect the original expression of an idea in the form of a creative work, but not the idea itself. In this context, "original expression" refers not only to the sentence-level structure but also to the overall composition of the work, which remains largely unchanged. While ideas themselves cannot be copyrighted, Sundberg's selection and arrangement of ideas constitute a form of creative expression.

I agree that there should be an article about this topic. However, if the article relies (largely) on a single, concise source, it becomes difficult to stray far from the original composition. The rewritten article should be based on a more diverse set of sources to avoid this. Please notice, that even if the article was rewritten today, the copyright-infringing versions should still be purged from the page history. This is why I believe it would be better to let the AfD process run its course and start a new draft with a clean history. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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JZyNO

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Subject charted but WP:NMUSICIAN does not guarantee notability. It still comes down to sourcing. There is nothing I can find in-depth about the subject that would be consdiered reliable. There is also a lot of press and churnalism such as this and this which are regurgitations of the same thing published on the same day but different publications. The Billboard reference only verifies the charting which was done on a collaboration with another artist. CNMall41 (talk) 00:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep, so glad this made it here Thank you so much CNMall41. Before going into sourcing and notability, I have started using my alt account for reviving (mostly African) articles I feel like the subject is notable and deleted under WP:G5. After this, I'm moving on to reviving Pabi Cooper.

With that being said, yes, I do agree that only 2 source are the same which is what publications like MSN and allAfrica do, they "re-publish" what's already out there and credit the publisher. The subject did chart on the Billboard U.S. Afrobeats Songs,^[1] and again on the UK Afrobeats Singles Chart.^[2] Keep in mind that he is credited as the primary artist on the song per media notes.^[3] JZyNO has been subject of the news multiple times here,^[4] and here,^[5] just to mention a few. He was also nominated for multiple Liberia Music Awards.^[6]^[7] and Telecel Ghana Music Award at the 25th edition (2024).^[8] This nomination is based on the two identical sources, charting collaboration (not sure what's wrong with that tho), and sourcing lacking depth. The cited references above are enough to sum up clear WP:SIGCOV as they are in depth and the subject do pass WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG as they have been the subject of multiple secondary reliable sources. Starting to wonder if the nominator performed WP:BEFORE. dxneo (talk) 02:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do realize that having a page you created sent to deletion can be frustrating, however please WP:AGF. Saying that you "wonder if the nominator performed a WP:BEFORE" is a veiled accusation that I lack the competency to properly review a page for notability. This is not away to get your contention across in a deletion discussion. I will respond to your notability points in a minute once I look through the sources you provided. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As stated in the nomination, charting does not grant inherent notability for a musician under WP:NMUSICIAN. The wording is "may be notable," not "is" notable. For the awards, they are nominations, not wins so not even relevant for WP:MUSICBIO. The first two sources you pointed out only verify charting. They are not significant, just verification. Three is from Apple Music so this cannot be used for notability. The fourth and seventh are the two I pointed out that are WP:CHURNALISM. Five is an interview and six and eight are just verifications of his award nominations. I see no significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my apologies for that earlier statement. However, respectfully, it really looks like you are not familiar with WP:MUSICBIO as it states that "8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." So I don't know what you mean when you say "nominations are not relevant." You then said "charting is not inherent," what's there to inherit when it's his song? (rhetorical question) Those sources are in-depths, this is not a GA standard article, it's somewhere between Start and Stub-class, hope you understand. Apple Music source is for verifying that the subject is the primary artist. Those reliable sources clearly discuss the subject where he's from and so on,which is what's most important. (SIGCOV) Trying to dismiss the sources by saying "they are just…" is not the way to go, because I was radequately eferencing every statement. Again, the subject clearly pass WP:GNG, as they have been the subject of multiple secondary reliable sources. dxneo (talk) 05:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I realize it is frustrating, but please be WP:CIVIL. Are the awards he was nominated for one of those mentioned? If not, the WP:ONUS would be on you to show they are considered a "music major award." So yes, those nominations are irrelevant. I also never stated that "charting is not inherent" so do not misquote me as it could mislead the closing admin. I said that charting does not give inherent notability. You keep saying the coverage is significant but have not shown how. Saying it "clearly passes WP:GNG" is a fallacy by assertion at this point without being able to demonstrate how interviews, churnalism, and simply verifications are considered significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still don't know why you keep saying be CIVIL, as if I'm using foul language, this is a discussion and I'm participating. Not everyone can be nominated for the Grammys, and thousands are notable without a Grammy nomination. However, every country/region got their major awards. Example, in South Africa, we have multiple awards organizations which are considered major, something like South African Music Awards. Every region got their own alternatives. U.S. got Grammys, Canada got Junos, and so on. Hope you understand. dxneo (talk) 06:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So he has won an award, and went on to lead the nomination list with 7 nods, that's amazing. dxneo (talk) 08:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like nomination to me. "Artist of the Year" (Singluar) shows him second so more like a nomination. Regardless, it is still only verification, not significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have not addressed any of the concerns brought up in my last reply. Once you are able to do so I will be happy to opine. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

References

^ Zellner, Xander (2023-11-15). "10 First-Timers on Billboard's Charts This Week: Matt Rogers, Mark Mothersbaugh, Kelsey Hart & More". Billboard. Retrieved 2024-10-14.
^ "BUTTA MY BREAD". Official Charts Company. 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2024-10-14.
^ "Butta My Bread by JZyNO on Apple Music", Apple Music, 7 April 2023, retrieved 2024-10-15{{citation}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ "Singer-songwriter JZyNO debuts with 'Butta My Bread'". Vanguard. 3 July 2023. Retrieved 14 October 2024.
^ DJ Edu (16 February 2024). "JZyNO: Liberian singer on Butta My Bread success". BBC UK. Retrieved 15 October 2024.
^ "MTN Liberia Music Awards announces nominees". Vaultz News. 27 September 2021. Retrieved 15 October 2024.
^ "JZyNO, UMG Artist becomes first Liberian musician to gain global attention". The Sun. 4 July 2023. Retrieved 15 October 2024.
^ "TGMA 2024 winners list: Stonebwoy beat King promise and odas to win artiste of di year". BBC News Pidgin. BBC News. 2024-06-01. Retrieved 2024-10-14.

SMK Lembah Subang

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Unreferenced for 16 years and fails WP:NSCHOOL for lack of coverage. Since last AfD we now do not grant inherent notability to high schools. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to have won some awards, but haven't found any in-depth coverage. CMD (talk) 07:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Ross (photographer)

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Fails WP:BIO, WP:PHOTOGRAPHER. No significant coverage of Ken Ross himself or his work, and it doesn't seem as if his work has been a substantial part of any significant exhibition. Most coverage consists of brief mentions, primarily in relation to his notable mother, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross or to the foundation. Mooonswimmer 00:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete

Source analysis (excluding his own organizations, and trademarks):

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2019/03/stanford-acquires-archive-of-elisabeth-kubler-ross.html: Not significant coverage
https://www.radiolab.org/podcast/queen-dying (Radiolab interview): About his mother
https://www.rte.ie/radio/doconone/1232634-the-life-and-living-lady (Irish National Radio): No transcript, but about his mother; likely no significant coverage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszmjz: Same as the last
https://palliativecare.org.au/story/palliative-matters-life-after-death-dying-how-ken-ross-is-keeping-his-mothers-legacy-alive/: Some info on his own story, but is an interview, which doesn't meet independence criteria
(His father's obituary)

External links sources:

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lifematters/ken-ross/11122824 (ABC): No transcript, not even necessarily entirely about his mother, but still an interview
https://medicine.stanford.edu/news/current-news/standard-news/Kubler-Ross-Archive.html: No significant coverage
https://www.rte.ie/culture/2021/0716/1235508-documentary-on-one-the-life-and-living-lady/: Not really significant coverage of him; mostly about his mother and interaction with the interviewer
https://eolupodcast.com/2021/12/20/ep-330-the-legacy-of-elisabeth-kubler-ross-with-ken-ross/: Interview, at least 50% about his mother, self-published (although by a published author on the topic)
https://www.theunleashedheart.com/ep-68-ken-ross/ Same as last, not sure whether the author of piece is published

So there's some mentions of what he's doing now, but it's all in interviews. Looks like what does get mentioned is that he founded the Foundation, so maybe if coverage of that can be found, that could have its own article.

On Google, I can't find anything either. So, Delete. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sany Pitbull

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Does not appear to meet WP:MUSICBIO, appears to be unable to ever pass that threshold. Zero references, request for references is several years old. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:ARTIST. Svartner (talk) 15:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Back to the Real

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Probably should have discussed this along with Reel Tight. Looking at the sources (that aren't dead), the only source that somewhat confirms WP:NRV is an article by OffBeat and even then, the article doesn't elaborate much other than calling the band a success story. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Dewair (1606)

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This article is a WP: REDUNDANTFORK from Mughal conquest of Mewar. There was no need to create this standalone article as the content is already present in the other article. Hence it should be deleted. Admantine123 (talk) 01:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Mughal conquest of Mewar per nom. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Benares brass

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"Benares brass" isn't a thing; it's just brass items made/sold in Varanasi. Just like there isn't a page for "Benares trinkets", there doesn't need to be one for Benares brass. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Contested PROD (I opposed it).

I would agree that 'Benares brass' isn't a thing. At least, not in the metallurgical sense, as a particular brass alloy. I may be wrong - place-specific alloys do sometimes turn up, owing to oddities of local material supply.

But I'm not convinced that 'brass and brasswork of Benares' isn't a thing, just based on the sources already attached to the article. Is brass manufacture a significant and distinctive industry specific to Benares? Now that's certainly a thing, and there are many such locations where particular forms of metalworking are both distinct (the place is significant to the craft of brassworking) and locally economically important (brass working is significant to the place). On my own doorstep, an article on 17th to 19th century brassworking around Bristol and the Avon valley would be very welcome. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Varanasi: Borderline notable at best, and would be much more suitable as part of the city's article per WP:NOPAGE, similar to how Moradabad does not have a separate page for its highly recognized brass industry. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I found these sources on Google Books with somewhat good coverage of it [80] [81] [82] Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 09:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first source only contains trivial coverage and the other two links are to the same source. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Varanasi as suggested. There’s more context there. This page just doesn’t have significant coverage for a free-standing article. Bearian (talk) 02:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mughal–Rajput wars

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This article is a poor WP:CONTENTFORK (WP:REDUNDANTFORK) from several articles like Rajput Rebellion (1708–1710), Rathore rebellion (1679–1707) and List of battles in Rajasthan. The individual topic like Battle of Khanwa has been stitched together to create an article suggesting that something like Mugal Rajput wars were a single homogeneous event spread over the different period of time. The individual topics are isolated events and a duplication from the List of battles in Rajasthan. So it should be deleted and content if anything that is here but not in List of battles in Rajasthan should be merged to latter. Admantine123 (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete like so many Maratha/Mughal articles recently, a hopeless mix of WP:SYNTH, exaggerations, and misrepresentations. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is about Mughals and Rajputs not Marathas! Dilbaggg (talk) 08:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - there is no need to keep this sock magnet as the material is already covered. A hard delete is needed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The Mughals and Marathas have been at war between 1526-1779, this article lists a collection of WP:RS battles and also the cronological events. Every history and major source agress there was a long lasting war between Mughals and Rajputs, there is no denying it. I don't see a reason this WP:Notable historic article has been nominated for deletion! Dilbaggg (talk) 08:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Existence of this article is an improvement and provides for easier viewing for interested people. The article title is phrased plurally; Mughal–Rajput wars. Not being a made up single conflict. Deleting this article is an inappropriate course of action for the problem. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 11:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep-There were surely wars between Rajputs and Mughals and this article summarizes that but what is wrong in this is its tone and possible same content from other articles. All it needs is an improvement of in depth details about topic and a good tone. Rawn3012 (talk) 14:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pang Gwang-chol

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List of numbered (rigid wall) shelters of the U.S. Army

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This list article has been orphaned since its inception in 2015, and is badly in need of formatting and citations. It has not been properly edited since 2022, and seems to generate no interest. It should be deleted. — TadgStirkland⁴⁰¹ (Tadg^Talk) 00:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete none of what the nominator specified is really a reason for deletion, but this being a hyper specific non notable list is. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This hyper-specific list seems to be someone's attempt at building a technical reference. Not appropriate for an encyclopedia. nf utvol (talk) 00:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is not written like an encyclopedia article and I can't find sources to show notability either.McYeee (talk) 00:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per WP:LISTN, WP:GNG. Nothing encyclopedic about this whatsoever. Ajf773 (talk) 09:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ouch. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Zellner, Xander (2023-11-15). "10 First-Timers on Billboard's Charts This Week: Matt Rogers, Mark Mothersbaugh, Kelsey Hart & More". Billboard. Retrieved 2024-10-14.

[2] "BUTTA MY BREAD". Official Charts Company. 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2024-10-14.

[Apple-3] "Butta My Bread by JZyNO on Apple Music", Apple Music, 7 April 2023, retrieved 2024-10-15{{citation}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[4] "Singer-songwriter JZyNO debuts with 'Butta My Bread'". Vanguard. 3 July 2023. Retrieved 14 October 2024.

[5] DJ Edu (16 February 2024). "JZyNO: Liberian singer on Butta My Bread success". BBC UK. Retrieved 15 October 2024.

[6] "MTN Liberia Music Awards announces nominees". Vaultz News. 27 September 2021. Retrieved 15 October 2024.

[7] "JZyNO, UMG Artist becomes first Liberian musician to gain global attention". The Sun. 4 July 2023. Retrieved 15 October 2024.

[8] "TGMA 2024 winners list: Stonebwoy beat King promise and odas to win artiste of di year". BBC News Pidgin. BBC News. 2024-06-01. Retrieved 2024-10-14.

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