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For the interested. ANI here is Asian News International. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- A decent summary of the case can be found in an article by The Hindu here - [1]. Ravensfire (talk) 12:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Scroll.in has a decent update:[2]. That WP is a public utility is an interesting idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- This continues to be an interesting case to see how the courts handle a case like this with the 2021 IT Rules, with some (small) parallels to what's happening with X in Brazil. What would stopping Wikimedia from doing business in India involve, beyond cutting off donations? I know the usual Wikimedia playbook around things like this, but will it work in this case with a judge that's already skeptical. Ravensfire (talk) 13:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fundraising was my thought as well. And they can of course go Turkey/Pakistan/China on us. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's the interesting question. There's a decent level of technical knowledge and resources available, can India craft a block that would be effective, with VPN's being the easy answer, and any work-arounds would be quickly shared. It would slow down editing from India, I think, more than it would affect reading. Ravensfire (talk) 13:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fundraising was my thought as well. And they can of course go Turkey/Pakistan/China on us. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- This continues to be an interesting case to see how the courts handle a case like this with the 2021 IT Rules, with some (small) parallels to what's happening with X in Brazil. What would stopping Wikimedia from doing business in India involve, beyond cutting off donations? I know the usual Wikimedia playbook around things like this, but will it work in this case with a judge that's already skeptical. Ravensfire (talk) 13:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The court wants an "authorised representative of Wikipedia". Do we have those? "Your honor, I'm pleased to tell you that the WP-communities have started an RFC on Meta intended to authorise a representative, and the result of the discussion will be communicated to you as soon as the discussion has concluded, closed by
an independent closera panel of independent closers, and possibly reopened after a complaint about the close." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- I snorted soda laughing at this. Fortunately, nothing beyond my pride was affected. Ravensfire (talk) 13:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- 5 months later: "Your honor, the result of the discussion has been confirmed to be no consensus." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- "As this is a collaborative process, we invite you and the representatives from ANI to particpate to better clarify the responsilibities involved, the expected qualifications and setup a new process to determine how best to determine our representatives." Ravensfire (talk) 13:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- "You have now been blocked for making legal threats, which you are of course free to pursue off-wiki." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ravensfire Apparently OpIndia is on the case, this will make everything better.[sarcasm] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh thank goodness! All of that relatively even coverage was worrying me. Ravensfire (talk) 17:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- "As this is a collaborative process, we invite you and the representatives from ANI to particpate to better clarify the responsilibities involved, the expected qualifications and setup a new process to determine how best to determine our representatives." Ravensfire (talk) 13:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- 5 months later: "Your honor, the result of the discussion has been confirmed to be no consensus." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I snorted soda laughing at this. Fortunately, nothing beyond my pride was affected. Ravensfire (talk) 13:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Scroll.in has a decent update:[2]. That WP is a public utility is an interesting idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- It would obviously be unwise of me to comment on any ongoing legal matter without first consulting with the WMF legal team, but rest assured that I'm keeping a close eye on this one.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Under no circumstances should Wikipedia reveal the identities of its editors to a third-world government, especially when Wikipedia has no presence in that country. Doing so would set a very dangerous precedent. In the future,we might also see countries like North Korea and China demanding the details of editors.
- On Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident, we had an IP user belonging to Hindu Raksha Dal, a violent far right extremist organisation[1] threatening indian editors with legal actions for[2] using the widely reported name of the subject in the article. Ratnahastin (talk) 02:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- "Third-world"? Who are first world and second world? These terms are deprecated and are pejorative. Telugujoshi (talk) 05:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- On Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident, we had an IP user belonging to Hindu Raksha Dal, a violent far right extremist organisation[1] threatening indian editors with legal actions for[2] using the widely reported name of the subject in the article. Ratnahastin (talk) 02:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
For the interested. Nothing groundbreaking, but a good read. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)