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Special occasion idea: Olympics
[edit]Discussion on Olympics
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Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Some related considerations:
All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC) Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Red-tailed hawk, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted. Schwede66 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention. Schwede66 09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Here's a summary of how many hooks we've got, and when they are scheduled to run (note that the table has been shifted to the section "Help needed"): As can be seen:
Therefore, we have to agree whether we would be happy with three Olympic-related hooks per set. Delaying Olympic-related hooks that are already approved is definitely not helping. Schwede66 22:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
SL93, Lorrane Oliveira was for Prep6, not Prep5. Schwede66 00:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
We currently have four hooks for 29 July / Prep6; this is the next prep set that will become available. That sounds too many, however, only one of those hooks is currently at SOHA. One hook, a swimmer starting for Israel, hasn't had the review started yet. There may well be a reluctance to "touch" anything Israel, so this might not make it. The two other hooks are both awaiting BeanieFan11 to provide a QPQ. Thus, at this point in time, we only have one viable hook from four candidates. When Prep6 becomes available, I'll thus bring one of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks forward so that we've at least got two hooks to go. Schwede66 20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.
There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 (Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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22-Jul | Queue6 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
23-Jul | Queue7 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
24-Jul | Queue1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
25-Jul | Queue2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
26-Jul | Queue3 | 2 | 2 | 3 | ||
27-Jul | Queue4 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
28-Jul | Queue5 | 3 | 3 | 3 | ||
29-Jul | Queue6 | 2 | 4 | 3 | ||
30-Jul | Queue7 | 3 | 3 | 5 | ||
31-Jul | Queue1 | 3 | 3 | 2 | ||
1-Aug | Queue2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | ||
2-Aug | Queue3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
3-Aug | Queue4 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 4 | |
4-Aug | Queue5 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
5-Aug | Queue6 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 3 |
6-Aug | Queue7 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
7-Aug | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
8-Aug | Prep2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
9-Aug | Prep3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
10-Aug | Prep4 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
11-Aug | Prep5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
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Just a heads up that I've got a week of little available time coming up:
After that, things should be back to normal. Hence, it might be a good idea if others take the lead. Kingsif, you were asking whether there's something where you could help – here's your chance. Last time, Joseph2302 did a lot of good work – would you be interested to step up? What needs doing? Here's a hopefully complete list:
If I think of anything else, I'll add that to the list. It's reasonably late in the process (the first competitions will start tomorrow) and all the structural issues are sorted. It just needs some low-level maintenance at this point. Schwede66 23:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hadi Tiranvalipour (nom) is supposed to be in prep 1, which is the next prep to be moved to queue. Problem is that the review hasn't been started yet. Any takers? Schwede66 00:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC) Ada Korkhin (nom) is a rather late nomination. It's worth getting this one into the system because it comes with a stunner of a hook! Schwede66 11:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
@Schwede66: Probably too short notice, but might as well ask: would it be possible to feature Template:Did you know nominations/Jamal Valizadeh on August 5? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
I've just added Minna Stess to the table below for 11 August. Schwede66 10:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
And another late candidate for 7 August: Jesse Grupper (nom) Schwede66 09:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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I think this is the last nomination that I shall add here, and it's my own. Finn Butcher (nom). Could even be used as the lead hook, as we have a series of nice photos. Schwede66 01:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Now at SOHA. Thanks! Schwede66 10:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Somebody needs to promote it; Prep5 is already full, so something needs to be shifted back. Schwede66 00:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Z1720, I see that you’ve promoted Prep 5 to queue. None of the prep builders had had time to deal with this hook. If it’s not too inconvenient, could you please slot it in? Thanks so much. This completes the Olympics exercise for 2024! Schwede66 15:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: It has been placed in Queue 5. I did not use the image because the water was obscuring his face, and the next DYK set has a portrait of a man. Z1720 (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Awesome. Thank you. Schwede66 19:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: It has been placed in Queue 5. I did not use the image because the water was obscuring his face, and the next DYK set has a portrait of a man. Z1720 (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Z1720, I see that you’ve promoted Prep 5 to queue. None of the prep builders had had time to deal with this hook. If it’s not too inconvenient, could you please slot it in? Thanks so much. This completes the Olympics exercise for 2024! Schwede66 15:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
As nobody has reviewed the Iman Mahdavi nomination, I shall take the SOHA box off. It can go into the normal review cycle. Schwede66 00:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Schwede, I have not kept up to date on how all this works. Just a note I've reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Iman Mahdavi, it needs a bit of work before passing. CMD (talk) 03:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate your note, @Chipmunkdavis. What I'm saying is that Mahdavi is no longer part of the Olympics set, i.e. it will run sometime after the closing ceremony. Schwede66 04:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Olympic hooks table
[edit]On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
Hooks that have been published, not including current MP
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Manizha Talash (nom) | none | 9 August | Queue 3 | Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. The competition for females is on 9 August. | published |
Logan Edra (nom) | none | 9 August | Queue3 | Here's our second female breakdancer. Any chance of combining the two hooks? | published |
Sunny Choi (nom) | 9 August | 9 August | Queue3 | Well, that's our third female breakdancer. We really shouldn't have three individuals hooks for breakdancers on the same day. I've suggested a hook with this nomination and propose that we close the other two nominations and transfer the credits across. | published |
Gaku Akazawa (nom) | none | 10 August | Queue 4 | Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | in queue |
Alasan Ann (nom) | none | 10 August | Queue4 | Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. | in queue |
Kennedy Blades (nom) | none | 10 August | Queue4 | Blades is going to compete in the women's freestyle wrestling 76 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | in queue |
Ada Korkhin (nom) | none | 11 August | Prep 5 | The women's 25 metre pistol competition is already underway and will finish on 3 August. Hence, this can run whenever. Currently scheduled for the closing ceremony date. | in queue |
Minna Stess (nom) | none | 11 August | Prep 5 | Stess is set to compete in the women's park skateboarding event on 6 August. There are three hooks in Queue7 already, which will be published on that day. One of those—1964 Summer Olympics medal table—could theoretically be shifted back, but I've done enough hook shuffling lately. If it gets signed off in time, I shall defer to another admin to make it happen on that day. The alternative day that I've picked here is the day of the closing ceremony; that involves a lot less effort to make this happen. | in queue |
Finn Butcher (nom) | 11 August | 11 August | Prep 5 | "The Butcher" has unexpectedly won the gold medal in the inaugural men's slalom kayak cross. As such, he has a good chance of being picked as New Zealand's flagbearer, making this a good hook for the closing ceremony date. | in queue |
Rotten tomatoes
[edit]- ... that many enthusiasts say that a good tomato sandwich is so messy, it should be eaten over the kitchen sink?
The opening to this triggered my weasel watch.
Looking at the nomination, this started with a more definite hook, "... that the best tomato sandwiches are so messy they may need to be eaten over the kitchen sink?" Someone decided that we couldn't say this in Wikipedia's voice because it's not actually a definite fact; it's just an opinion. Instead of finding an actual definite fact, a weasel was found to introduce the debatable opinion. But who are these enthusiasts and are they notable or reliable?
You see, every time I see this weasel wording, I imagine it to be said in the voice of Jeremy Clarkson who would always introduce The Stig like this. Here's a compilation of "Some say..." examples. Delivering absurd facts in this way is a good joke but that's not what we're about, is it?
Andrew🐉(talk) 15:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging the involved, @Valereee, CurryTime7-24, and Theleekycauldron: Understand your point. Not sure if it is a weasel but it is probably true of any sandwich. When I saw the article I thought back to my own sandwich article with the hook Did you know... that the bondiola sandwich (example pictured) is a popular street food in Argentina? I enjoyed the tomato sandwich article but I see your point about who the "enthusiasts" are. Myself, I am a sandwich enthusiast but I would need more than just tomato to satiate myself. Bruxton (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Anybody who has ever grown tomatoes of their own will understand that a tomato sandwich is a waste of perfectly good bread and mayo. Nothing beats a good vine-ripened tomato, still warm from the sun, eaten just as it is, with the juice dribbling down your shirt. You want some heirloom variety, not the modern hybrids, genetically engineered to have smooth skin and a spherical shape, strong enough to stand up to bouncing around in a truck for a couple of days, and a flavor more akin to cardboard than anything else.
- An acceptable variation is thickly slabbed, with a slice of mozzarella on top (the good stuff, freshly made by the deli, not that horrible crap that comes wrapped in plastic), topped with a fresh basil leaf (also from your garden) and some balsamic vinegar. RoySmith (talk) 18:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Myself I spent 150 bucks on supplies and I grew $4.00 worth of tomatoes. They were good and I made a BLT (minus the L) last night. It was superb and not messy at all. I imagine the bacon held the tomato from slipping around in the mayo and the bread was toasted so it had some grit. Bruxton (talk) 18:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith, speaking as someone who has eaten the kind of tomato you're talking about both standing in the garden (I grew up carrying a salt shaker out to the garden where I'd eat tomatoes like apples) and sliced thick, slathered in Duke's, and sandwiched between two slices of soft white bread, leaning over the kitchen sink, I'm going to have to argue that it's a waste of bread and mayo. Two different experiences, both fab. Valereee (talk) 22:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's true that many enthusiasts make this recommendation. The article supports that assertion. I think the hook is fine as is. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Enthusiasts are, by definition, fanatically in favour of their enthusiasm. You can run anything as a supposed definite fact by using enthusiasts as your weasels. For example:
- ... that enthusiasts say that the Earth is flat?
- ... that enthusiasts say that Donald Trump won the 2020 United States presidential election?
- ... that enthusiasts say that people are really powerful aliens trapped in a human body?
- Andrew🐉(talk) 19:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well not "anything", but yes, interesting statements by enthusiasts can make good hooks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- We've got more such on the main page today: the "coolest person on the planet" and "the loneliest boy in the world" according to "journalists". All we're doing here is echoing clickbait and hype rather than presenting definite facts. And these don't stand close inspection. For example, the "coolest person on the planet" has soon been surpassed by another sports shooter who is even more of a brief sensation. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well not "anything", but yes, interesting statements by enthusiasts can make good hooks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Enthusiasts are, by definition, fanatically in favour of their enthusiasm. You can run anything as a supposed definite fact by using enthusiasts as your weasels. For example:
@SL93, BeanieFan11, and Arcahaeoindris: The article says "sentenced to life imprisonment" which isn't the same as "imprisoned for life". RoySmith (talk) 00:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I thought it was. I trust what you're saying though. ... that an American citizen was sentenced to life imprisonment for attempting to overthrow the government of Cambodia? SL93 (talk) 01:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes - what @SL93: said! Arcahaeoindris (talk) 15:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- This queue is next up. SL93 (talk) 18:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- 27 more minutes. I don't understand why this couldn't have been fixed days ago. SL93 (talk) 23:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @DYK admins: This should probably be amended.--Launchballer 23:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done And sorry for not seeing this discussion earlier. Schwede66 23:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @DYK admins: This should probably be amended.--Launchballer 23:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer, Schwede66, and Hey man im josh: Substantial text duplication from eagles.rugby, news.northeastern.edu, and sajr.co.za. See the earwig report for details.
- You didn't sign the post, hence no ping eventuated, RoySmith. Let me repeat this exercise on your behalf: @Launchballer, Schwede66, and Hey man im josh: Schwede66 04:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've left a message to the IP editor who did the expansion on my talk page. I assume that they keep an eye on my talk page. I agree that some copy-editing would need to happen before this can run. Schwede66 04:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a way of purging Earwig's results? I tried to do some work on it earlier but the IP edit conflicted me, and it's still giving cached results.--Launchballer 19:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer I wasn't previously aware that it did any caching, but I do see that there's a "Bypass cache" checkbox on the form, so maybe check that and see what it does? RoySmith (talk) 19:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Same problem. I'll try again in the morning.--Launchballer 20:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Addressed. Other than names, per this. --2603:7000:2101:AA00:34AF:AC34:37AD:2505 (talk) 20:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Same problem. I'll try again in the morning.--Launchballer 20:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer I wasn't previously aware that it did any caching, but I do see that there's a "Bypass cache" checkbox on the form, so maybe check that and see what it does? RoySmith (talk) 19:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a way of purging Earwig's results? I tried to do some work on it earlier but the IP edit conflicted me, and it's still giving cached results.--Launchballer 19:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Extraneous Nom credit
[edit]The nomination credit to the Example editor that starts at the bottom of the credits with each empty set—* {{DYKnom|Example|Editor}}—has not been removed, as is supposed to happen when the set finally fills. Hoping that an admin can take care of this before the queue goes live. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've given things a bit of a tidy up. Empty lines deleted; noms are now in the right order (not that it matters; it only helps when you check hooks against credits). Schwede66 05:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
@Schwede66, AirshipJungleman29, and BeanieFan11: I'm not following the full history here, but it looks like this was approved as a single hook for Manizha Talash and the other two got added post-approval. I suggest we go back to this being a single. The story really is that 1) there is an Afghani break dancer and 2) that the IOC Refugee Olympic Team exists. Adding the other two names just detracts from that. RoySmith (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that story at Template:Did you know nominations/Manizha Talash... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but it's still the interesting part. What's so special about "two other women are also competing in this sport on another team"? RoySmith (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's at the top of this page (Ctrl+F "talash") and at Template:Did you know nominations/Sunny Choi. With five date requests for that date, it does seem sensible to knock some of them together.--Launchballer 19:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there were four date requests for 9 August (not five). We've (mostly) restricted the sets to three Olympics hooks. Hence, something needs to be merged somewhere. Obviously, we don't need to run all three of the break dancers in the same hook; we can have one plus two across two hooks. I'm open to suggestions. Schwede66 22:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I know this is going to be unpopular but I'd suggest not running Choi and Edra at all. ChatGPT (because I couldn't find the answer on Wikipedia) tells me there's 32 competitors. What makes these two girls from "their country" special enough to stand out from the other 30? I know what makes Talash special, and it's a story worth telling without getting second (third?) billing. RoySmith (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct, RoySmith – I don't find that popular. You ask:
What makes these two girls from "their country" special enough to stand out from the other 30?
My answer is that the two articles meet all five criteria of WP:DYKAIM. And I suspect that ChatGPT found the answer to your query in this sentence:A total of 32 quota places (sixteen per sex) are available for eligible dancers to compete for the inaugural medals in breaking
– that is from Breaking at the 2024 Summer Olympics. Schwede66 23:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)- Regarding your edit comment "no reason to refer to ChatGPT instead of WP", the bottom line is I spent a few minutes here and failed to find what I was looking for so I went there and got the answer. People come here for answers to questions. If somebody else is doing a better job of that (even if it's because they ingest our data), we're on the road to becoming irrelevant. RoySmith (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's a common problem that sports bios don't point to the individual event that competitors are competing in. I've thus tried it to make things as easy as possible by linking to the correct event in my table above that keeps track of everything. I guess what I'm saying is if you are looking for an answer to something Olympics-related, start with the table above. Schwede66 00:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding your edit comment "no reason to refer to ChatGPT instead of WP", the bottom line is I spent a few minutes here and failed to find what I was looking for so I went there and got the answer. People come here for answers to questions. If somebody else is doing a better job of that (even if it's because they ingest our data), we're on the road to becoming irrelevant. RoySmith (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct, RoySmith – I don't find that popular. You ask:
- Well, I know this is going to be unpopular but I'd suggest not running Choi and Edra at all. ChatGPT (because I couldn't find the answer on Wikipedia) tells me there's 32 competitors. What makes these two girls from "their country" special enough to stand out from the other 30? I know what makes Talash special, and it's a story worth telling without getting second (third?) billing. RoySmith (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there were four date requests for 9 August (not five). We've (mostly) restricted the sets to three Olympics hooks. Hence, something needs to be merged somewhere. Obviously, we don't need to run all three of the break dancers in the same hook; we can have one plus two across two hooks. I'm open to suggestions. Schwede66 22:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's at the top of this page (Ctrl+F "talash") and at Template:Did you know nominations/Sunny Choi. With five date requests for that date, it does seem sensible to knock some of them together.--Launchballer 19:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but it's still the interesting part. What's so special about "two other women are also competing in this sport on another team"? RoySmith (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- This has since been promoted to Template:Did you know/Queue/3 by Z1720. I agree that this composite hook is very dull, which is a shame given the original hook suggestions. Perhaps a compromise could be move one to Q4 as breakdancing will also be occurring on the 10th (even if it's the men's event)? Sdrqaz (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I saw this discussion before I promoted the queue. I had no concerns with the interest of the hook. I think stating that two athletes are representing their countries emphasises how the IOC Refugee information is unusual. I also do not think that there is a more interesting hook for the two American athletes available. Z1720 (talk) 23:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Not sure how to proceed
[edit]I started the review for the page Margaret Eliza Maltby around two weeks ago here: Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Eliza Maltby. Since then, the user who made the nomination doesn't seem to have made any contributions, other than responding with "feel free to withdraw this nomination if it needs to be done quickly" two days ago. As this is my first DYK review, I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to proceed with this nomination. Should it be withdrawn, as concerns have already not been addressed in a timely manner, and the nominator hasn't expressed an intention of preparing the article in the nearby future? Or should I keep waiting until the nominator gets around to it and, if so, what should be considered "quickly"? Thanks. Leafy46 (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Leafy46 Thanks for helping out at DYK; sorry your first review ended up being complicated like this! In any case, I've closed the review as withdrawn. In case you're wondering, you still get credit for the review when it comes to QPQ time. RoySmith (talk) 16:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith Thank you so much for the assistance! Leafy46 (talk) 17:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Older nominations needing DYK reviewers
[edit]The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so I've created a new list of 36 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through July 20. We have a total of 288 nominations, of which 130 have been approved, a gap of 158 nominations that has decreased by 8 over the past 6 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!
More than one month old
- June 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Mohan Charan Majhi (hook only)
- June 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Chand Sifarish (hook only)
- June 22:
Template:Did you know nominations/Keegan Baker - June 23:
Template:Did you know nominations/Lahug Airport - June 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Dus Bahane
- June 26:
Template:Did you know nominations/Brandiose - June 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Jab Se Tere Naina
- June 28: Template:Did you know nominations/List of people who use their middle names as their first names
- June 29: Template:Did you know nominations/Sun Zhiyang
- June 30: Template:Did you know nominations/Liza 'N' Eliaz
- July 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Norman Hunter (footballer)
- July 3: Template:Did you know nominations/South West Norfolk in the 2024 United Kingdom general election
- July 4: Template:Did you know nominations/Iktara (song)
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Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Solid South
[edit]This article was nominated recently, and I attempted a review, but it appears the nominator misunderstood the nomination process. They nominated the article for DYK in connection with nominating it for GA, apparently not understanding that the article has to pass GA before it can be successfully nominated. I am slightly at a loss about how to proceed. Should I fail the nomination? Can the nominator then propose it for DYK again after (if) it achieves GA status? Or can it be withdrawn somehow? Thanks for any pointers. Yakikaki (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC) Edit: There's a brief exchange between me and the nominator on my talk page casting some light on the misunderstandning. Yakikaki (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the nomination should be failed. The article should be renominated if and when it passes GA. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I see it has been closed as unsuccessful now. Yakikaki (talk) 19:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
When is a set going live (from javascript)
[edit]Is there any easy way to compute when a set is going live, from javascript? Basically, I want the text that's in the UTC column of Template:Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes. I took a look at the source for that and ran away screaming. I can see that it ends up calling Template:Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes/QueueCalculator but I can't figure out how to call that, i.e. what "offset" is supposed to be. RoySmith (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- And related to that, @Theleekycauldron would it be possible to add something to PSHAW which provided a link in the prep/queue back to the nomination? Where I'm going with this is being able to click on one button and have a script generate a {{ping}} template for you which includes all the interested parties. RoySmith (talk) 15:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: When a set is going live? Should be easy – all you need is Template:Did you know/Next update/Time, User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates, and knowledge of multiplication. As for generating a backlink, I think it'd be a little extraneous given that backlinks are available in the credits ("View nom subpage"). theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I didn't realize that's what the subpage was. Thanks, that gives me what I need. I'm still scratching my head over the details of how to compute the expected main page time for a queue; I'm pretty good at the mechanics of multiplication, but in this case I'm not quite sure how to find all the things that need to be multiplied. RoySmith (talk) 14:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: When a set is going live? Should be easy – all you need is Template:Did you know/Next update/Time, User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates, and knowledge of multiplication. As for generating a backlink, I think it'd be a little extraneous given that backlinks are available in the credits ("View nom subpage"). theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
DYKUpdateBot appears to be down
[edit]Shubinator, the DYKUpdateBot did not swing into action today. I'll do a manual update. Schwede66 01:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- All done. Schwede66 02:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Schwede66, it looks like you didn't clear Queue 2 after you promoted it to the main page. Any chance of getting that done? Many thanks for the manual update! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oops. I missed step 10. Now done. Schwede66 04:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Schwede66, it looks like you didn't clear Queue 2 after you promoted it to the main page. Any chance of getting that done? Many thanks for the manual update! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've restarted DYKUpdateBot, it's back in action. Thanks both for letting me know & the manual update! Shubinator (talk) 05:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Awesome. Thanks! Schwede66 08:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Special Occasion review request for Siege of Perth
[edit]Unsure how best to make this request, but I had raised Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Perth (1339) some time ago and thought it might be nice to run on 17 August as the anniversary of the end of the siege. Presuming there is no issue with this, I had wanted to highlight it here to request a review, allowing time to deal with any issues and avoid the nomination being overlooked. CSJJ104 (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- You were within the six week window so as long as the review passes you should be good to go. NightWolf1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for confirming, but my concern was more related to the fact that it has yet to receive a review, and we are getting close to the date. CSJJ104 (talk) 00:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
DYK for Aid climbing
[edit]I was away for a few weeks and had Aid climbing in the DYK queue, but never got a notice on my talk page that it appeared on the mainpage, and there is no DYK notice on the talk page of the article.
However, there didn't seem to be issues on Template:Did you know nominations/Aid climbing? My question is did the DYK appear on the main page, or was it pulled? thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- It ran. See [2].--Launchballer 10:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! Aszx5000 (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like this was a fault of the PSHAW script (FYI theleekycauldron), where it converted a nominator's existing credit into another article (there were two articles by the same nominator). Sdrqaz (talk) 00:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Discussion of three DYKs at WP:ERRORS which scrolled off without resolution. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- ... that residents reported the first cycling club in Washington, D.C. (uniform pictured), to the police over concerns that bicycles posed a danger to pedestrians?
The article does not say or claim that this was "the first cycling club in Washington", just that it was "early".
Also, the source doesn't seem to mention pedestrians specifically – just of the "dangerous potential for accidents". Perhaps a concern was the risk of collisions with horses and/or people and property in general?
Note that the hook wasn't checked in the nomination even though it included a first. It was just waved through as AGF.
Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I added the "first" claim to the article, citing the same source. Pinging Generalissima and BeanieFan11 to consider the other issues. Beanie, we strongly suggest additional scrutiny for "first" hooks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have to take some of the blame here, since I promoted the queue. It's especially embarrassing since ranting about "first" hooks is one of the top ways I make myself annoying at WT:DYK. The unfortunate truth is that when I'm processing queues, I don't have time to read every article in full. I generally just read the hook and then search for keywords in the text to verify the facts. Looking back at the article, I suspect I found "the first such club in the country" and didn't notice this was immediately preceded by "Boston Bicycle Club".
- I know this has been said before, but Andrew, you have a keen eye for detail and critical reading. These are valuable skills and in great demand at DYK, so thank you for the much-needed quality control. But it would be even more useful if it was done on the #Next DYK and #Next-but-one DYK sections, so we could catch these problems before they hit the main page. RoySmith (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Different point: the comma after the "(uniform pictured)" should instead come before. So, " ... Washington, D.C., (uniform pictured) to the police". JMCHutchinson (talk) 13:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- ... that Olympic taekwondo practitioner Emmanuella Atora described her career as "I hit people for a living"?
According to the source, what she actually said was "Je tape les gens pour vivre". This was not translated by the source and it's not clear what she meant by it as Taekwondo is not usually a professional sport while she appears to have a career as an aspiring professional model. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also, the line was a meme already, having been used by MMA fighter Francis Ngannou a year earlier [3]. Black Kite (talk) 07:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well spotted. Francis Ngannou is a successful professional fighter and so the boast works better for him. There's merchandise too... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also, the line was a meme already, having been used by MMA fighter Francis Ngannou a year earlier [3]. Black Kite (talk) 07:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
In the fourth hook, there doesn't seem to be any reason for "The" in "The Proms" to be capitalized. Primergrey (talk) 19:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Primergrey Thanks for the report. The article is inconsistent on "the Proms" vs "The Proms"; it mostly uses "the", but there's enough instances of "The" to make me unsure what's the right thing to do here. I'll leave it the way it is now and ask about it on Talk:BBC Proms. You may want to follow that conversation. RoySmith (talk) 21:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
- Andrew Davidson, I don't know if you saw Roy's comment above about checking the "Next DYK" and "Next-but-one DYK" slots on WP:ERRORS before they go live, but I would echo it. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- While their work is great, I do remember their comment of "If DYK published regular corrections then the shame might be a useful check and balance, helping to deter sloppy work." from July 1. Not doing the checks earlier and posting this section here might just be a way to shame contributors. SL93 (talk) 22:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
@Joeyquism, Morgan695, and AirshipJungleman29:
I changed the hook from "tickling" to "tickled" (and the appropriate grammar) because 1) that is how it is quoted in the source and the article (with the quote marks) and 2) the woman used forced perspective to make it look like she was tickling the statue, which necessitates the quote marks. Please ping if there are questions, concerns, or if different wording would be better. Z1720 (talk) 03:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Z1720; it looks mostly good. I do feel that "after she..." would work better than "when she" here; let me know what you think. joeyquism (talk) 03:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)