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Judicial reform bill in Mexico
[edit]Blurb: The Congress of Mexico approves sweeping reforms of the country's judiciary after protestors storm the Senate chamber. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, BBC News HRW
Credits:
- Nominated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
- Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by EchoLuminary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Senate chamber stormed; constitutional amendments criticized by HRW, etc., passed. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait — I expected this to appear here. This is not law yet; a majority of state legislatures need to approve it. However, it will very likely pass. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- True on both counts. But the Senate was the major hurdle to overcome: the ruling coalition controls 27 (?) of the state congresses, so it's just a matter of time. And the storming of the Senate chamber is big news this morning, although its treatment in our articles is somewhat cursory. (Not going to be that guy who replies to every comment, I promise.) Moscow Mule (talk) 18:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for final passage but agree this is a major change in Mexico's govt particularly on the corruption angle. Masem (t) 18:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work There's repeated reference to amparo as an issue but this Spanish word and concept is not explained. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Didier Roustan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): L'Equipe, Le Monde (both in French)
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- Updated and nominated by Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Died this morning, and article looks reasonable enough. Very little info on his death seems to be available right now. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Emi Shinohara
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network, Nikkan Sports
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- Nominated by Miraclepine (talk · give credit)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Voice of Sailor Jupiter, announced today. Page biography is sourced, but filmography will need to be sourced. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Raja Petra Kamarudin
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Star
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- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
- Updated by FarGah1 (talk · give credit)
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Tofusaurus (talk) 03:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Quite a few sections are unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) (RD posted) Blurb/RD: James Earl Jones
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American actor James Earl Jones (pictured) dies at the age of 93 (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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- Support for RD. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Harizotoh9: Is this a "support RD only" or a "support blurb"? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 05:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- [1] – Muboshgu (talk) 20:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Needs some more sources, but shouldn't be too far from ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several unreferenced paragraphs. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- note article is not yet ready for RD due to several unsourced paragraphs and a few cn's. Also I did not nominate for a blurb as though an actor with a large number of important roles, he did not have the type of impact that someone like Sidney Poitier had to the industry and doesn't met the major figure aspect. (I have a gut feeling this will draw lots of "he's famous/popular so he should be blurbed" type votes so stating my concern for this now) Masem (t) 20:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- from his lead,
"one of the greatest actors in American history"
but not a major figure. (eye roll) Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)- From the source:
Alec Baldwin and Close each praised Jones, with Baldwin calling the 80-year-old "one of the greatest actors in American history."
One person's opinion is not a consensus. The article's lead should provide some attribution. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)- Let's be honest and serious, it's not only one person's opinion. "James Earl Jones doesn't get enough credit for being a path-blazer for actors like Denzel Washington who came after him"[2]
- And we will find more of this in countless obits that will follow. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, though I was being hyperbolic, his influence and prominence both onscreen and offscreen make him suitable for Blurb nomination. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Which right now, the article lacks any significant discussion of his importance or impact beyond a few statements in the lede. I'd be willing to support a blurb but if only a section that fully goes into that depth with multiple sources on the matter (which may originate from these obits) is included so that these factors are clearly demonstrated rather than hand-waved as "trust me". — Masem (t) 21:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would have suggested going with, "Pray that I don't alter the deal further." However, that seems reasonable enough. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- And of course I should add, the quality overall must be fixed. That's a show stopper right there. — Masem (t) 21:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would have suggested going with, "Pray that I don't alter the deal further." However, that seems reasonable enough. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Which right now, the article lacks any significant discussion of his importance or impact beyond a few statements in the lede. I'd be willing to support a blurb but if only a section that fully goes into that depth with multiple sources on the matter (which may originate from these obits) is included so that these factors are clearly demonstrated rather than hand-waved as "trust me". — Masem (t) 21:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- From the source:
- To say Darth Vader did not have the same impact as someone most people probably don't know is an insult to James Earl Jones. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 22:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone was even remotely trying to insult JEJ, and I'm struggling to see how anything written above can be construed as such. - SchroCat (talk) 07:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Darth Vader isnt JEJ, he Voice acted him but Darth Vader is not JEJ so shouldn’t be considered in that regard. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 08:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to tell that he was a black man under that mask. Perhaps his extensive stage acting made him more notable? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 08:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- from his lead,
- Support Blurb The citation issues have been cleared up and the article quality improved. JEJ Death and Legacy section outline why this individual is a major figure in his field and how his work is deserving of a blurb. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Kcmastrpc: Was this a "support RD only" or "support blurb"? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Updated Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb. Obvious blurb. EGOT achiever. Had theatre named after him during his lifetime. Had many iconic roles,had distinguished career on film, TV, and stage. And last but not least, he was Darth Vader, after all. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb. EGOT winner and without a doubt he was at the top of his field through his iconic roles and performances beyond film such as in broadway too. Death is making international headlines. However I do believe a legacy section and/or the article needs to address how influential he was in the acting field. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not EGOT, given his Oscar was an honorary one only. - SchroCat (talk) 22:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Non-competitive EGOTs are still considered one, just not quite the same as the actual thing. The Kip (contribs) 22:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not EGOT, given his Oscar was an honorary one only. - SchroCat (talk) 22:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support blurb per BilboBeggins and TDKR, but I won't be unhappy if it's just an RD. The Kip (contribs) 21:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Was he a real actor or did he just do Darth Vader? Thank you. 86.187.239.81 (talk) 21:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, he was a real actor, he got Tony and Oscar. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Even if he hadn't performed multiple other roles (as you could see even just from the lead of the article), voice actors are (also) considered "real actors". Funcrunch (talk) 23:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait then Support Blurb one the most well known actors. While he is most known for Darth Vader and Mufasa’s voice, he has an incredibly long, extensive, and iconic acting career. Just needs more sourcing and expanding, specifically on his death. Kybrion (talk) 21:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- RD ONLY, when the article is ready. I’m sure we’ll see a Carrie Fisher rerun, with lots of fans voting for a blurb, but there’s no real call for it. - SchroCat (talk) 22:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Carrie Fisher is not on the scale of being transformative and not of the same level of productiveness and versatility. It is basically her only famous role. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- And yet, just like Fisher, we see an influx of fans saying "he was famous!!", "he was Darth Vader!" and wanting a blurb for that reason. People are not given a blurb for being famous or versatile or productive. I see nothing in the article that suggests he was transformative. So we're back to the fanboy cries of "blurb because he was in Star Wars!!" line of voting. - SchroCat (talk) 07:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- The main argument for him being indeed transformative is that he got a theatre named after him during his lifetime. Getting something named after a politician or actor while they are alive is rare. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thats absolutely no indication of a transformative aspect of his career. Having something named after him isn’t an indication of suitability for a blurb. - SchroCat (talk) 22:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, just small fry? But, looking ahead... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thats absolutely no indication of a transformative aspect of his career. Having something named after him isn’t an indication of suitability for a blurb. - SchroCat (talk) 22:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- The main argument for him being indeed transformative is that he got a theatre named after him during his lifetime. Getting something named after a politician or actor while they are alive is rare. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- And yet, just like Fisher, we see an influx of fans saying "he was famous!!", "he was Darth Vader!" and wanting a blurb for that reason. People are not given a blurb for being famous or versatile or productive. I see nothing in the article that suggests he was transformative. So we're back to the fanboy cries of "blurb because he was in Star Wars!!" line of voting. - SchroCat (talk) 07:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Carrie Fisher is not on the scale of being transformative and not of the same level of productiveness and versatility. It is basically her only famous role. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb once the issues are fixed. I'm not a Star Wars fan, but he was Darth Vader, dammit. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 22:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Funny, I don’t remember any calls for David Prowse to have a blurb, although he was Darth Vader, dammit. - SchroCat (talk) 22:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb He is a Black historymaker and one of the most distinguished voices to ever grace the screen and stage. He is an EGOT winner. There is a theatre named after him. He played many more characters beyond his most iconic roles. Rest in peace. -TenorTwelve (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Re: the inevitable discussion over whether Star Wars actors should be blurbed , I think the following living or recently deceased are blurbable: George Lucas, James Earl Jones, and Samuel L Jackson. Harrison Ford is debatable/possible, but not as certain. Possibly Warwick Davis for representation for people with Dwarfism. Not as much for other folks (though some are debatable). The standard I would set for blurbing Star Wars actors is 1. Are they a history-maker? 2. How much have they contributed to the acting/directing field outside of Star Wars, such as other franchises or major films. James Earl Jones fits both of these. This should be an easy decision to blurb. -TenorTwelve (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm surprised that you put Harrison Ford as "debatable/possible", but are certain about Samuel L. Jackson. Ford not only was Han Solo but was the lead roles in the Indiana Jones and Blade Runner series, not to mention starring in The Fugitive and Air Force One. Nonetheless, support blurb when ready. Natg 19 (talk) 22:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is zero reason to make any assumption that people that have starred in Star Wars should automatically be consdiered for blurbs. That's not a criteria at all. Having starred in Star Wars may have launched major careers (like Ford or Hamill), or may have cemented their place as an actor, but it is absolutely wrong to claim being in Star Wars is important enough. We're not TV Tropes or a pop culture musuem, we are an encyclopedia. — Masem (t) 02:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - I may be a bit biased as a Star Was fan, but Jones had one of the most recognizable voices in cinematic history. - ZLEA T\C 22:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb There’s no legacy section that explains why he was transformative in his field (Ismail Kadare’s dismissal earlier this year raised the bar for a blurb).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose blurb old man dies. Death not notable as an event. This is what the RD line is for, people This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is not true.
The death of major figures may merit a blurb
per WP:ITNRDBLURB. Whether Jones is a "major figure" or not is debatable, but there is no blanket prohibition against death blurbs for "old people dying". Natg 19 (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is not true.
- Support blurb when the article is ready. Not many people are recognized all over the world by their voice alone, this makes him unique. Cart (talk) 22:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- RD only. Very notable actor, but not on par with a world leader. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 23:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb once any remaining article issues are cleaned up. Highly notable and recognizable, winner of multiple major awards across stage and screen; not just known for his unique deep voice. Funcrunch (talk) 23:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, best EGOT. Hyperbolick (talk) 23:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb — Not significant enough. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb After cleanup. Promethean (talk) 23:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Blurbing support. Worldwide household name. Who doesn't know Darth Vader??? Kasperquickly (talk) 00:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @MtPenguinMonster: Is this a "support RD only" or a "support blurb"? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 05:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, neutral on blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @MtPenguinMonster: Is this a "support RD only" or a "support blurb"? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 05:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb per above. Very well-known roles, EGOT, household name and recognizable voice, etc. Davey2116 (talk) 00:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, Oppose blurb because he's notable in cinema, but not worldwide. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, Oppose blurb per WP:OLDMANDIES. Jones was not superstar level in the US and is barely known outside of the US. — AjaxSmack 01:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb I'm a bit surprised his notability is even being debated. Even discounting his roles as Darth Vader and Mufasa, the guy had a whole slew of other roles such that it was separated into its own list article. — Gestrid (talk) 01:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Notability is not in question. But he is a great figure, that's the debate. We normally do not consider aspects like fame or popularity in posting blurbs, since that is favoritism towards Western and English topics, though if that fame/popularity can be demonstrated as being part of a great figure, great. — Masem (t) 01:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb, since I would argue that his notability alone, given his various prominent, world-known roles (i.e. Darth Vader, Mufasa, etc.), would merit a blurb. The referencing issue seems to have been sorted out as well given the voters' shift from issues of referencing to issues of notability. PootisHeavy (talk) 02:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sourcing is better than when I posted the nomination but it is still missing citations and has CN tags throughout. Its not yet ready for an RD posting, much less a blurb. — Masem (t) 02:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, Has starred in prominent films notably Coming to America that has been a Box Office seller including voice overs in The Lion King, documentaries and Darth Vader in Star Wars.Kampolama(talk) 04:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- EGOT club member, easy choice for blurb (w/ usual conditional re article quality). WP:ITN:
If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb.
"Front page" of CNN NYT NBC News BBC, at quick glance. --Slowking Man (talk) 03:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC) - Support blurb. He is well-known outside the US and not only within it, and should be an obvious case of WP:ITNRDBLURB as a major figure (definitely not another WP:OLDMANDIES as claimed above), there are few people who wouldn't recognise his voice or characters; only 2 cn tags remaining which will likely be resolved and should not be barrier to posting. Happily888 (talk) 03:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Not Quite ReadyA handful of CN tags.Support Blurb once up to scratch. 1 Acadamy Award, 3 Emmys, a Golden Globe, a Grammy, a SAG, and 3 Tonys plus a plethora of second tier awards. That is more than enough for a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)- Not a serving head of state/government. Manner of death not notable. ITN items should be events in their own right This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb a very widely known actor/performer even in the counties outside of the anglosphere. One of only 27 people to ever EGOT, that makes quite notable. However, there are some cn tags that needs to be resolved before posting this. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Appears that the quality issues have been addressed in terms of citation tags/unsourced statements. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb: One of the most iconic actors. Connor Behan (talk) 05:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Marking as Ready. Natg 19 (talk) 05:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support for RD. Not totally convinced by the WP:ITNRDBLURB case -- his life was clearly the main story here, and while Darth Vader is universally known, I'd need more convincing that his voice actor qualifies as such a major figure. I would certainly struggle to list JEJ as (for example) one of the greatest actors of all time/the twentieth century or so on, despite being a much beloved figure. Edit: to make it formal, I would oppose blurb.UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb. Per most of the above. Legendary actor with dozens of award received and as the voice actor for Darth Vader. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb I think he was a high-profile actor with a commanding presence. I don’t think he was a transformative force in acting. The article does not show that he was. I think a lot of people are mentioning that he played Darth Vader, or that he had lots of film roles, but not explaining how that makes his death blurb material. I have to wonder what this discussion would look like without the Star Wars factor - Star Wars is a phenomenon bound to appeal to Wikipedians. There are a lot of top-level theatre actors who have played high profile roles in films - are we going to blurb all of them? humbledaisy 07:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)~
- Per the article, Jones has been recognised as an early pioneer in African Americans in stage and television, with his career spanning back to the prejudiced years of 1965. This take does speak to notability outside of his various roles and I don't think could be said for many actors. Promethean (talk) 12:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb per above. A popular actor with EGOT. LiamKorda 09:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- all EGOT winners are popular in some sense. What is it that makes James Earl Jones transformative and more deserving of a blurb than most popular actors? Humbledaisy (talk) 09:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Hyperbolick (talk) 10:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm asking what the rationale is. What is it that lifts James Earl Jones above the likes of Kirk Douglas, another American actor who had a long career with various awards and died at a very advanced age, or Michael Gambon, another veteran who was not a consistent leading man but is world-famous for playing a central character in a genre film franchise? I haven't seen anyone make a case - people are treating this as if it's a dead cert. Humbledaisy (talk) 11:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Hyperbolick (talk) 10:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- all EGOT winners are popular in some sense. What is it that makes James Earl Jones transformative and more deserving of a blurb than most popular actors? Humbledaisy (talk) 09:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb. Not transformative. (Also not well known in UK apart from Star Wars). Martinevans123 (talk) 09:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb His article got over a million readers yesterday and that's a fairly reliable rule of thumb for whether someone has sufficient fame to get a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Note that, on day 2, the readership of his article has gone up and is still over a million. This will not be because of the RD posting, which will have barely made the needle twitch. It's more likely due to the impact of tributes and follow-ups across the global media which tend to follow the death of a major figure. You don't usually see this pattern for ordinary deaths which typically have an initial spike and then a steep decline.
- And note that these numbers are huge compared to everything else on Wikipedia. If you look at the top read articles, then Jones is way out in front with 1.35 million while the #2 is Cecilia Hart with just 197K. And why is she #2? That's because she was Jones' wife! You have to go to #3 to find a different topic and that just got 166K views.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 07:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- RD posted Blurb discussion can continue.—Bagumba (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Decent actor? Yes. Transformative? No. I really don't like to criticise other editor's reasoning, but let's be clear here - Kirk Douglas didn't get a blurb because "old man dies". Is Jones on a higher level? I really don't want to mention the Carrie Fisher effect here, but - oops, sorry. But really, how many non-Star Wars fans outside the US would even know who he was? Black Kite (talk) 12:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd agree, except for the fact that his career stems back to 1965 and, per the article, he's been recognised as a pioneer for African Americans in stage and film. Promethean (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- He lived a long life and continued to work into his dotage. I don't think that's all that unusual when it comes to notable film actors. There are hundreds of notable screen stars working right now whose careers span 50+ years. Donald Sutherland's career stretched back to the 1960s too but it didn't make him blurb-worthy. James Earl Jones' screen career did start during the civil rights era in the United States, but I don't think it's enough. In contrast to Sidney Poitier (whose death we blurbed), he was not a notable star at that time, he wasn't closely associated with activism and he isn't known for any major firsts as an African-American actor. Humbledaisy (talk) 12:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- He was a second Black actor go get nominated for Oscar. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well yes, that's my point exactly - not a first. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- The changes do not happen immediately, he can be regarded as first Black actor to have achieved that much success on stage. And he was active at the same time as Poitier, so they both contributed. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well yes, that's my point exactly - not a first. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- He was a second Black actor go get nominated for Oscar. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Loads of actors have careers of many decades, I'm not seeing that as something blurb-worthy. And "being a pioneer for African Americans" is sourced to an obituary. I'd be far more likely to take that seriously if I could see RS saying that from when he was still alive. Black Kite (talk) 14:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- In a 1998 interview, [Denzel] Washington said, “There weren’t a lot of serious Black actors for us to emulate, to follow, to admire. There was Sidney [Poitier]; it was James Earl Jones on stage. That’s what I remember.”[4]
- Washington said this in 1998, long before 2024. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- He lived a long life and continued to work into his dotage. I don't think that's all that unusual when it comes to notable film actors. There are hundreds of notable screen stars working right now whose careers span 50+ years. Donald Sutherland's career stretched back to the 1960s too but it didn't make him blurb-worthy. James Earl Jones' screen career did start during the civil rights era in the United States, but I don't think it's enough. In contrast to Sidney Poitier (whose death we blurbed), he was not a notable star at that time, he wasn't closely associated with activism and he isn't known for any major firsts as an African-American actor. Humbledaisy (talk) 12:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is that, Star Wars is worlwide phenomenon, and the set of Non-Star Wars fans is not large, even outside of US. And the set of people who don't know about Star Wars is even smaller. There will be few people who don't know who Dart Vader is. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd agree, except for the fact that his career stems back to 1965 and, per the article, he's been recognised as a pioneer for African Americans in stage and film. Promethean (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb EGOT recipient is a very rare achievement and signifies the pinnacle of the entertainment industry. In addition, the subject is known for portraying several iconic characters that are universally known worldwide. Blurb is warranted.RachelTensions (talk) 13:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- It represents the pinnacle of the *American* entertainment industry and that alone. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- A little late to the party here, but support blurb - the man was/is a household name with several worldwide famous roles and characters under his belt. He's extremely well known not only in the acting scene, but in popular culture overall. Rest in peace. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 13:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I can assure you that Jones was definitely not a household name, at least outside the USA. Black Kite (talk) 14:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think what User:Masem said earlier applies here; "We're not TV Tropes or a pop culture musuem, we are an encyclopedia". JEJ was the voice of a very well-known character in popular culture. He wasn't a transformative figure in acting and he wasn't among the best-known and most globally significant actors of his generation. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb he wasn't Olivier. Sheila1988 (talk) 15:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- He was a Shakespearean actor and won an award for playing Othello, just like Olivier. What's the difference? Andrew🐉(talk) 17:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Olivier was white? (until be blacked up, of course)... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- What a trite question. Olivier was one of three who dominated British stage acting in the C20th, before moving into theatre management by setting up and running the National Theatre. That’s transformation and a good reason for a blurb, not just for being famous because he voiced Darth Vader. - SchroCat (talk) 18:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- He was a Shakespearean actor and won an award for playing Othello, just like Olivier. What's the difference? Andrew🐉(talk) 17:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. RD is more than enough here we go again. He was a very popular actor, but not transformative, he did not mark a milestone in the history of American entertainment. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not the New York Times. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- What does "transformative" mean? Who is an example of a "transformative" actor, or someone who
marked a milestone
? Natg 19 (talk) 17:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)- Laurence Olivier mentioned in the comment just above. — AjaxSmack 19:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Besides the fact that we aren't supposed to be doing x vs y arguments for death blurbs, why exactly was Olivier so much more important than Jones? DarkSide830 (talk) 19:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, see the comments above about one being transformative and the other not. - SchroCat (talk) 22:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- You seem to have explained why Olivier was noteworthy enough, but reducing Jones's impact to one acting credit seems to almost completely diminish his larger body of work. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have done nothing of the sort. A number of people voting for a blurb have done exactly that, ironically enough. - SchroCat (talk) 04:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's...exactly what you said in response to the previous vote. You said Jones was notable explicitly just because he voiced Vader. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- ”
You said Jones was notable explicitly just because he voiced Vader
”: that’s just not true. JEJ was a notable actor because of his entire career (that’s just obvious); it’s an outright lie to say I have only said he was notable because he played Vader. - SchroCat (talk) 18:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- ”
- That's...exactly what you said in response to the previous vote. You said Jones was notable explicitly just because he voiced Vader. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have done nothing of the sort. A number of people voting for a blurb have done exactly that, ironically enough. - SchroCat (talk) 04:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- 1 Acadamy Award, 3 Emmys, a Golden Globe, a Grammy, a SAG, and 3 Tonys plus a plethora of second tier awards. I'd say he was in the same league as Olivier. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Then you don’t understand what Olivier’s impact was. Aside from dominating the British stage for much of the twentieth century, he was a formidable producer and director. He worked to set up the National Theatre and then ran in, and completely changed theatre in the UK. That’s what a transformative figure does. I see nothing in JEJ’s article that suggests he was transformative. - SchroCat (talk) 04:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- You seem to have explained why Olivier was noteworthy enough, but reducing Jones's impact to one acting credit seems to almost completely diminish his larger body of work. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, see the comments above about one being transformative and the other not. - SchroCat (talk) 22:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Besides the fact that we aren't supposed to be doing x vs y arguments for death blurbs, why exactly was Olivier so much more important than Jones? DarkSide830 (talk) 19:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Laurence Olivier mentioned in the comment just above. — AjaxSmack 19:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- What does "transformative" mean? Who is an example of a "transformative" actor, or someone who
- Support Blurb. Titan in his field, long career with an EGOT to boot. You want transformative? How about the fame he got from one of the most famous VA roles ever as Vader? Probably one of the first to achieve that level of fame in an off-screen acting role. Seems pretty slam-dunk to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Very famous for his voice acting roles of Mufasa and Darth Vader but was not transformative in his field.
- Noah, BSBATalk 22:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Anyone with an EGOT merits serious consideration. Even if his "O" in the EGOT was noncompetitive, the fact that he voiced Darth Vader and had notable roles in critically acclaimed films such as Field of Dreams, The Lion King and Cry, the Beloved Country puts him over the top for me. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning support blurb. I just wanted to comment that I don't think WP:OLDMANDIES is applicable here. While the subject was indeed "old", he was not long-retired and out of the spotlight. He appeared in both live-action and voice roles in the 2020s, and his voice continues to be used by an agreement reached before his death. I also do think that his success as an American black actor beginning in the 1960s is inherently more transformative than that of non-minority actors in the same time period. BD2412 T 03:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - This is not about his two widely-known voice acting roles. This is about a long and distinguished career on stage and screen, his role as a trailblazer for African-American actors (qv Denzel quote above), and his overall stature in the field. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not even close to being in the same league as Alain Delon, whom we did not post. So no, definitely not blurb worthy. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:E829:76AA:FD43:F219 (talk) 11:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Main reason why Alain Delon was not blurbed was due to the article quality being bad/not in good enough shape for posting to be fair. Jones's article is in better quality. Also not a fan of "x didn't get blurbed so neither should y" rationale. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- There was consensus leaning to not blurbing Delon back then and there is consensus leaning to blurbing James Earl Jones now.
- It's not that I agreed with the arguments for not blurbing Delon, because there was evidence of him being transformative in the article, but the discussion on that ended and the main problem was that it couldn't even be posted to RD. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if this is going to end up being blurbed and we are going to make the Carrie Fisher mistake a second time, does anyone want to explain the rationale? Most of the votes here are just "he was Darth Vader, duh!" or "He was very famous" and those strike me as very weak arguments. I've seen very little genuine rationale for a blurb in this discussion aside from the Denzel Washington quote. That doesn't seem enough - it could be said of several other actors, more strongly Sidney Poitier who we previously blurbed - and, as I mentioned before, JEJ was not a notable star during the Civil Rights era, he wasn't closely associated with civil rights or activism and he isn't known for any major firsts as an African-American actor. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's a similar Denzel quote already in the article. Not sure which is the more notable. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- The mistake will be not to blurb him.
- Could you give rationale why Poitier was bigger than Janes Earl Jone? In last twenty years of his life Poitier was not active except for occasional Oscar ceremony appearances. And before that his only significant, or blockbuster role in another twenty years or so was being third-billed role in Jackal.
- One of the rationale was that he got theatre named during his lifetime. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- “If you were an actor or aspired to be an actor, if you pounded the payment in these streets looks for jobs, one of the standards we always had was to be a James Earl Jones," — this is from no other than Samuel L. Jackson.
- “The first play that I saw was ‘Fences,’” said Tony-winning director Kenny Leon of Jones’ performance in Wilson’s seminal American play. “I was a country boy from Tallahassee, Florida, came here as a National Endowment for the Arts fellow, and I saw ‘Fences.’ It changed the directory of my professional life.”
- "Of the theater luminaries in attendance, including Brian Stokes Mitchell, LaChanze, Norm Lewis and playwright Suzan-Lori Parks, many reflected on Jones’ indelible influence on their careers" — from Variety on opening of the theatre [5]. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Ben Thapa
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph, the Independent, RTE, Metro
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by Carly1710 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cleanupbabe (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: English singer, member of G4. Article looks adequate. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 15:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: article looks OK; Metro isn't a great source for notability/news coverage but also reported in Telegraph, the Independent and RTE. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ed Kranepool
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports, AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C33:5504:7A1B:88BA (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Rlendog (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former first baseman for the New York Mets. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C33:5504:7A1B:88BA (talk) 02:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. For the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ana Gervasi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Infobae
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Short, but good enough. Grimes2 (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready: Biography has no citation for her birth date or location. Ideally there should be an early life section. Flibirigit (talk) 13:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: This information was not there when I nominated this article. I've removed any unsourced information as I myself did research to find a reliable source to confirm birthplace and birth date to no avail. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Death date properly marked as "circa" since exact date not specified.—Bagumba (talk) 07:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
US Open Tennis
[edit]Blurb: In tennis, Jannik Sinner (men's singles) and Aryna Sabalenka (women's singles) win the 2024 US Open. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, CNN (for Sabalenka)
Credits:
- Nominated by UndercoverClassicist (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Both articles are GAs, and US Open wins (men's and women's posted together) are covered by ITNR. Not sure how to do it with two pictures -- I assume in practice we would alternate them? UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- In practice, both images will be combined into one, and the combined one will be used. – robertsky (talk) 07:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The article for this news story and the ITN/R candodate is not the bios of the winners, but the tournament article 2024 US Open (tennis). And this is not remotely up to scratch. No prose summaries of the events at all. — Amakuru (talk) 09:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Obviously we should do more work on the U.S. Open article itself, but the fact that we have not one but both of the winners' articles at GA status means I'd love if we could find a way to highlight them as well. DecafPotato (talk) 09:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the WP:ITNR item is the event 2024 US Open (tennis), and that article is nowhere near WP:ITNQUALITY. It needs a substantial amount of prose added to it before meeting ITNQUALITY. The 2 player articles have only a few sentences about this tournament, and so should not be used as the bold links in order to circumnavigate the inadequacy of the 2024 US Open (tennis) article, and the player articles are not ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I must admit, this line of argument seems overly procedural to me -- yes, a nomination for the US Open article would have quality issues, but running the the players' articles gives us the chance update ITN with an unquestionably noteworthy event and to direct readers to two of our better articles. I don't see any guidance in WP:ITNR as to precisely which article needs to be nominated: as I read it, it's the event that has consensus to be posted, not a specific article. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- No it isn't "overly procedural". The ITNR is for showcasing the event 2024 US Open (tennis), and putting 2 articles about people that have around 1 paragraph about that event doesn't achieve this. WP:ITNR lists the event as recurring, so the event article needs to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. The solution to avoid any more discussion would be to fix the event article, because like almost all tennis articles nominated here, it has zero prose text about the events. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I must admit, this line of argument seems overly procedural to me -- yes, a nomination for the US Open article would have quality issues, but running the the players' articles gives us the chance update ITN with an unquestionably noteworthy event and to direct readers to two of our better articles. I don't see any guidance in WP:ITNR as to precisely which article needs to be nominated: as I read it, it's the event that has consensus to be posted, not a specific article. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose lead article(s) listed in the nomination are wrong as mentioned above. The tournament is the INTR item and not the winners. The main tournament article is no way near ready to be posted. There are all tables and scores but very little prose. I would suggest the nominator to check out the 2024 French Open and 2024 Wimbledon Championships articles (the two grand slams that were posted) to see what kind of improvements this article needs. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the US open article has very little prose. Fails to met the WP:ITNQUALITY. Also, since there has no work done on the article since it's nomination, I don't think it will get in shape to be posted. LiamKorda 09:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Ongoing: Israel–Hezbollah conflict
[edit]Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Roncanada (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Even if there is clear link with the Gaza war, this is still a different conflict, widely covered. --Roncanada (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- The linked article asserts this is part of the Israel-Hamas conflict that started in Oct 2023. I'm not seeing how it is different. The linked article above is linked in one of the top navboxes of the main Israel-Hamas page as well. Masem (t) 15:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Soft oppose Problem I have with including this in the ongoing section is that currently the conflict is little more than drone and artillery strikes by both sides. If the Israeli army launched a ground offensive into Lebanon, or vice versa, than I would support inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 15:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unless conflict escalates - Right now it's confined to skirmishes and not a full-scale conflict. If we must post this I say we include a spillover link in the ongoing item PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above - thus far it's just been exchanges of rocket fire and airstrikes, which is pretty much what it's been for a long time - just that they've gotten more frequent that normal. The Kip (contribs) 16:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose more similar to the Kashmiri conflict then a full scale war. Wait until a proper invasion by ground troops and then we’ll add it to ongoing. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support it's an ongoing event and notable in itself, and is getting regular updates. Nowhere does it say it has to be full scale war for an event to be considered. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per Abcmaxx. This is an ongoing event with regular updates. I would also accept bringing back the "Spillover of the Israel-Hamas war" ongoing item. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While, I leaning oppose as of right now, I would say that there are already three ongoing entries. Four would be far too much. I suggest we should one of them before adding this one. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- The number of ongoing items currently listed shouldn't be a factor, merely that there's just a lot going on in the world right now. Each nomination should be decided on its own merits. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support merging with Israel–Hamas War ongoing. I don't see that we need two different ongoings for two different aspects of essentially the same conflict. What to call it though? "Israeli-wars"?, "Israel-Palestine conflicts"? "Palestine situation"? - it's hard to think of a title that is both encompassing and neutral. Nfitz (talk) 13:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's not even an Israeli-Arab war it is much more nuanced than that. However, not convinced it is the same conflict. Yes, Hamas and Hezbollah are linked, and obviously one conflict escalation led to the other, but Lebanon isn’t Palestine and it brings a whole different set of issues and potential outcomes. I would argue even that what happens in the West Bank is not the same conflict as what happens in Gaza; different political forces, different area, different issues to contend with. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Scu Ba and PrecariousWorlds. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:59, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now per Scu ba & PrecariousWorlds. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Henny Moan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK
Credits:
- Nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Norwegian actress. Seems sufficiently cited, except for filmography section (which needs citations). Oceanh (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per MOS:FILMCAST, a citation isn't required (though there's nothing stopping us providing one) as long as the role is credited. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- FILMCAST applies to pages about films, not to BLP, which have higher standards for sourcing. Masem (t) 15:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- They do, but FILMCAST applies to
film-related articles
, not exclusively articles about films (an article on a film actor qualifies as "film-related", in my view, under any reasonable reading). The BLP sourcing standards in question are thatany material challenged or likely to be challenged
must be sourced. Putting those together, a citation would of course be welcome in any case, and required if there was a reasonable chance that someone would dispute whether she held a particular role. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- They do, but FILMCAST applies to
- I don't see where it says a citation is not required. Can you quote the excerpt? —Bagumba (talk) 06:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- For uncredited roles, a citation should be provided in accordance with Wikipedia's verifiability policy. This is a case where the exception proves the rule -- by specifying that uncredited roles need a citation, it follows that credited roles do not (necessarily) require one. It's also covered by WP:PRIMARY, which has a primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge: if a credit to the person is visible when watching the film, the film itself is a sufficient citation for the statement that they held a credited role, unless there is good reason to require further (dis)proof. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- FILMCAST applies to pages about films, not to BLP, which have higher standards for sourcing. Masem (t) 15:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 07:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Typhoon Yagi
[edit]Blurb: Typhoon Yagi (pictured), leaves at least 40 people dead in China, Vietnam, and the Philippines (Post)
News source(s): ChinaNews VNExpress GMA News
Credits:
- Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)
The storm made historic landfall, the death toll continued to rise, and the article is in good shape. HurricaneEdgar 00:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Article looks good and I feel like with 30 deaths, it should definitely be mentioned on the main page, IMO. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 00:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Much better. The article structure is good and the death and damages are notable enough for the main page. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major storm. Looks ready to post. Thriley (talk) 03:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support both on quality and significance - compared to the last typhoon at ITN, this has a much wider spread of damage. --Masem (t) 03:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is this the same as the below Typhoon Yagi nomination? Can the other one be closed? Natg 19 (talk) 04:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Uh oh. Yes it is the same exact one. What now? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 04:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is, and it was clear there was consensus to wait to see if there were more impacts from further landfalls. This one is more appropriate to keep in terms of the date of nomination since this is post-impact. Masem (t) 04:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 04:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per previous vote to wait until the story develops -- it now has. UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Its a current weather event, so it should be recent. Sources are reliable and the context is notable. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as Yagi is absolutely notable enough to be in ITN. Shouldn't this be closed now? OhHaiMark (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting Support - as I didn't support it last week, but now it's reeked some serious damage and death on north Vietnam, it's significant. Nfitz (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Algerian presidential election
[edit]Blurb: Abdelmadjid Tebboune (pictured) is declared the winner of the 2024 Algerian presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Abdelmadjid Tebboune (pictured) is declared the winner of the 2024 Algerian presidential election which the opposition boycotted.
News source(s): ReutersAPAl Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sundostund (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: A national election that deserves to be ITN per WP:ITN/R Scu ba (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nominator, the article looks OK. Trepang2 (talk) 04:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support seems fine MAL MALDIVE (talk) 04:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait the lede of the election article needs to be expanded as it is about only 10 words as of now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nominator, and as the creator. It does look OK to me. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 14:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The main story seems to be the feud pitting all the candidates against the electoral authority over voter turnout (announced as an "average" of 48%, but calculated as less than a quarter of registered voters). Perhaps it would be wise to wait until there is agreement on turnout... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Checks results; 95% of the vote. Sounds very legitimate lol, but that doesn't affect notability. ITN/R, let's post but I think we should also consider adding something in the blurb about the fraudulent nature of the election PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @PrecariousWorlds: I stand by to my support vote, but I do agree with you that some note about the (fraudulent) nature of the election should be considered. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 17:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment added a new altblurb about the election not exactly being free and fair. Scu ba (talk) 19:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Scu ba: This is obviously an improvement, but consider using stronger language and label the election as "so-called" or "fraudulent". — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 19:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- We didn't do that for the Russian election, why would we do it for the Algerian election? Scu ba (talk) 23:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- There was a very long discussion as to not try and accidentally convey that the Russian election was anything more than a sham from what I remember. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Scu ba: This is obviously an improvement, but consider using stronger language and label the election as "so-called" or "fraudulent". — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 19:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: I think "which the opposition boycotted" is sufficient for the reader to join the necessary dots, and is nicely factual and verifiable, whereas "the election was fraudulent" is much trickier. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, fraud is a crime and labelling something fraudulent requires a legal process usually (as would e.g. murder or theft); given this is a de facto dictatorship we may never get any closure ever even if the regime falls as to how fraudulent or not this election is. At the same time I have long argued not to mislead by suggesting equivalency between fair and sham elections. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I would say that an "election" like this, where even the winner complains about irregularities alongside opposition candidates, should be subjected to stronger language than what is usual. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 10:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It seems to have been a shambles with even the winner querying the bizarre variation in the figures. And the formal result is under appeal. Presenting this as a legitimate and respectable election is misinformation. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: I think we all agree that we categorically should not present this as a legitimate and respectable election; the question is how do we present it? Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at the BBC site to see how they presented the result and it doesn't appear that they have done so yet. So, that's a good clue that we should wait on further coverage rather than rushing to judgement. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: I think we all agree that we categorically should not present this as a legitimate and respectable election; the question is how do we present it? Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Diondre Overton
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit) and Rusted AutoParts (talk · give credit)
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Former Clemson wide receiver. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article seems fine to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Dan Morgenstern
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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Thriley (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Too short at the moment. The article needs some expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the awards section lacks citations. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
September 6
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(Posted) RD: Rebecca Horn
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monopol Magazine, Der Spiegel
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wuerzele (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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German visual artist. Grimes2 (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, detailed and referenced --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks sufficiently cited and detailed, I've also fixed a few references and added wikilinks. Aydoh8[contribs] 02:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ready the article appears ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Just readied a bunch of unready stuff and noticed a new CN tag (with room for more yet), but it's seemingly good enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Not by me, just for the record. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ron Yeats
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Scottish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Several uncited statements, have added cn tags. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose due to outstanding CN tags. Aydoh8[contribs] 02:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange and cn tags needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Cathy Merrick
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)
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Indigenous leader in Canada and Grand Chief of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good 27.96.223.192 (talk) 11:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article has enough length and sources for posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: article is generally in good shape, perhaps some very minor POV in places but nothing serious. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. No problems found. The structure looks good enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 12:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Paul Goldsmith
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-goldsmith-indianapolis-500-nascar-icon-dies-at-98/
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by RegalZ8790 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by DH85868993 (talk · give credit)
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RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Not quite ready. No problem with the length. However, there are several sections that are unsourced.Changing to Support. Well done and Cheers! 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)- I've added citations for the flagged passages. RegalZ8790 (talk) 21:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support no apparent issues left, looks good enough now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've had to place to citation needed tags. In addition, what's referenced in the prose is that he was born in West Virginia, whilst the infobox gives a specific place. Schwede66 01:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've added or improved citations for the flagged passages. RegalZ8790 (talk) 05:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Ongoing: Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk
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Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Vide previous candidate
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Oppose We’ve already had a nomination for this. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 01:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We have never put ongoing court actions on the ongoing line, nor would this be a case of that much import to be the first such one. --Masem (t) 01:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose already discussed below with no consensus to post. This nomination is just trying to game the process. Natg 19 (talk) 02:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already proposed Aug. 31. No means no. --Pats2017 (talk) 03:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article discussion has already been closed with no consensus to post, no need to add this to ongoing after that. Hungry403 (talk) 03:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there was no consensus to post this less than a week ago, and with all due respect the nom was one of the users lobbying for it. The Kip (contribs) 05:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sérgio Mendes
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, LA Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Rblourenco (talk · give credit), Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
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Brazilian musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support once ready: A front-figure of bossa nova and one of the most famous Brazilian musicians of all time, together with Antônio Carlos Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes. The article still needs a lot of sources, though, and I'm afraid I won't be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 16:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Oltrepier: notability isn't a factor in RD nominations, as having an article is proof of notability in itself Abcmaxx (talk) 17:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, article has sourcing maintenance tag, citation needed tags and several unsourced paragraphs. Suonii180 (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange tag, unsourced awards section and only 8 references for a bit long article. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) San Marino national football team
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Blurb: San Marino national football team, the lowest-ranked FIFA-affiliated national team, wins the first competitive victory in their 36-year history (Post)
News source(s): ESPN.com
Credits:
- Nominated by Holapaco77 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Sports trivia. --Masem (t) 12:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We should not be posting the results of individual games, unless possibly it is a championship game. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose whilst one of the worst sports teams in history winning did garner some coverage, this doesn't meet WP:ITNQUALITY, not least because it's probably not important enough to have its own article. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - seems more like a Did You Know. Nfitz (talk) 14:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose big news for all the Tim Traveller fans out there, but ITN isn't the place for this, belongs in a did you know blurb. Scu ba (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose target article football is the world's biggest sport and San Marino has a unique place within it. However, if this singular win is that notable, then really there should be an article about the match itself. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Re-opened after closure (Much as I love San Marino, consensus to post won't develop. The Kip (contribs) 19:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)}}); maybe it won't reach consensus, but really not even half a day is certainly too short a time span to be closing any nomination. Let's give a chance for others to comment. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Congrats to San Marino! Cool story, but more fitting for DYK than ITN. --Pats2017 (talk) 01:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose while this is probably significant news for San Marino, I fail to see how this is really significant for the rest of the world. Editor 5426387 (talk) 04:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Ten to nothing, "remarkable". InedibleHulk (talk) 05:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While interesting, it's more suited for DYK than ITN, as per Pats2017 and Nfitz. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
September 5
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RD: Herbie Flowers
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, NME
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7989:33F2:8DF6:8310 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
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English bass guitarist and member of T. Rex. 240F:7A:6253:1:7989:33F2:8DF6:8310 (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: played bass on Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" and on David Essex's "Rock On". By the end of the 1970s, Flowers had played bass on an estimated 500 hit recordings. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose has four CN tags. Aydoh8[contribs] 02:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Tags addressed. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Aydo, please look again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
OpposeSolo discography section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)- Sources now added, some commercial. Perennial musician RD question: do all items need a separate source, even those which' already have their own article? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my vote to Support now. And to answer your question, yes every single item/song needs a reference, not necessarily a unique one, a single source can be cited for multiple entries too. Even the entries with their own articles needs a reference because sometimes that article do not mention the connection with the subject and therefore, they need to be verified. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 18:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- So will the AllMusic source suffice for all the Collaborations? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my vote to Support now. And to answer your question, yes every single item/song needs a reference, not necessarily a unique one, a single source can be cited for multiple entries too. Even the entries with their own articles needs a reference because sometimes that article do not mention the connection with the subject and therefore, they need to be verified. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 18:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sources now added, some commercial. Perennial musician RD question: do all items need a separate source, even those which' already have their own article? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Well-cited. Thriley (talk) 18:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Now six days since he died? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, detailed and (now) well referenced. One user above wrote that they changed to support but didn't strike the oppose, - I did that now for clarity at a glance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was ready two days ago? It's not even marked as "Ready" yet? Last day tomorrow before it falls off, without even getting on. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: Natg 19 (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Radha Charan Gupta
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News18
Credits:
- Nominated by jacobolus (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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One of the most prolific and celebrated Indian historians of mathematics. –jacobolus (t) 05:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support seems sufficiently cited. Aydoh8[contribs] 12:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: have made a few small edits for NPOV. UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 01:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Laurent Tirard
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cognitivism (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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French film director and screenwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 15:37, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. Cognitivism (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several cleanup tags in the article. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose most of the info on the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rich Homie Quan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Source
Credits:
- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
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Heatrave (talk) 19:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Just one CN and it's not something especially controversial. Overall article is in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- CN tag seems to be fixed now. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support RIP, article looks good. 139.164.154.33 (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape. Mooonswimmer 12:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Michel Barnier appointed Prime Minister of France
[edit]Blurb: Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron. (Post)
News source(s): "Live blog: Macron names Michel Barnier new prime minister". France24. 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "Michel Barnier named by Macron as new French PM". BBC News. 2024-09-05.
Credits:
- Nominated by UndercoverClassicist (talk · give credit)
UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good! His article is a little bit short but I'm sure it will get longer as he fulfills his role as France's new Prime Minister. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, not ITN/R but still very relevant as the conclusion of two months of political uncertainty. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good, politically relevant and a major event especially following the stalling of rejection of a leftist government. Scu ba (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is good but could probably do with some more content given his lengthy career before today. Appointment of the head of government of a P5 member is highly notable. AusLondonder (talk) 15:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose The article is missing many citations, such as in the National politics section and Honours & Decorations sections. Also, the article contains no information on Barnier's actions between the 2022 French presidential election and being appointed PM.Gödel2200 (talk) 15:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- I've sorted the National politics section; working on the decorations at the moment. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot written on his activities between 2022 and today, at least going by what I can find on frWiki and French sources, so we can't include much per WP:DUEWEIGHT -- unless you have some sources I haven't seen? UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's unfortunate -- my hope is that good sources for them exist, but I can't find anything (even in the awarding nations' languages) other than Wikipedias or Wiki-mirrors. The German Wikipedia has a very suspicious citation to "Federal Government" (in plain text) for the German award. All removed for now -- we now have no CN tags and I think the article's referencing should be up to the standard we need. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article is much better cited now, with only one uncited award left. It would be good to have more detail about this years French legislative election on his page (it only is mentioned in the lede right now). Gödel2200 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops -- I missed that one -- another dubious case; removed. UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as it's been over 2 months since the French parliamentary elections, and this is a notable change in head of government. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Support in principal, but not impressed with article quality. It's pretty thin for such a major figure and referencing has some gaps. Nothing on his personal life and I can't even figure out what his politics are. Oppose pending article improvement.-Ad Orientem (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- @Ad Orientem: There have been some recent changes which I think should solve this -- the referencing and politics in particular are now quite well covered, and I think we have as much of his personal life as is relevant, given that this is a political biography. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article is much improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: There have been some recent changes which I think should solve this -- the referencing and politics in particular are now quite well covered, and I think we have as much of his personal life as is relevant, given that this is a political biography. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The prime minister doesn’t administer the executive power in France, and this is the fourth person to be appointed to that position in four years.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially a page that does not cite any sources, such as the one you mention. As is well known, executive power is shared between the President and the Prime Minister according to the French Constitution. The Prime Minister heads the government, which "determines and conducts government policy". This is particularly evident in periods of cohabitation, such as the current period. Cf. [6]. The error on the page you mention has been fixed based on Article 21 of the French constitution. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- The status of the current period as a cohabitation is still being discussed by reliable sources, as it is pretty much a unique situation between an entirely presidential regime and a "full" cohabitation. While the Prime Minister himself calls it "coexistence" rather than "cohabitation", political analysts describe it as "a new form of cohabitation", with the portmanteau "coalitation" being especially popular as the power shifts from the President to the National Assembly. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving aside forumy discussions about whether a PM from a party holding fewer than 40 seats in the National Assembly represents a true transfer of power reflective of the results of the legislative election, the fact remains that the PM is (at the very least the nominative) co-leader of the executive branch and therefore his appointment is newsworthy. Article 21:
Le Premier ministre dirige l'action du Gouvernement. Il est responsable de la défense nationale. Il assure l'exécution des lois. Sous réserve des dispositions de l'article 13, il exerce le pouvoir réglementaire et nomme aux emplois civils et militaires.
The correction of the error mentioned above makes the appointment of a French PM automatic by virtue of Wikipedia:ITNELECTIONS.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 01:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving aside forumy discussions about whether a PM from a party holding fewer than 40 seats in the National Assembly represents a true transfer of power reflective of the results of the legislative election, the fact remains that the PM is (at the very least the nominative) co-leader of the executive branch and therefore his appointment is newsworthy. Article 21:
- The status of the current period as a cohabitation is still being discussed by reliable sources, as it is pretty much a unique situation between an entirely presidential regime and a "full" cohabitation. While the Prime Minister himself calls it "coexistence" rather than "cohabitation", political analysts describe it as "a new form of cohabitation", with the portmanteau "coalitation" being especially popular as the power shifts from the President to the National Assembly. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially a page that does not cite any sources, such as the one you mention. As is well known, executive power is shared between the President and the Prime Minister according to the French Constitution. The Prime Minister heads the government, which "determines and conducts government policy". This is particularly evident in periods of cohabitation, such as the current period. Cf. [6]. The error on the page you mention has been fixed based on Article 21 of the French constitution. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support (which should go without saying). Head of government and directs the actions of the government, which determines and conduct the policy of the Nation. Nfitz (talk) 03:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This seems very like the case of Speaker Johnson – someone appointed to get the budget through a hung parliament by hook or by crook. But that got shouted down while this gets more support. It's puzzling. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The appointment of a head of government after months of chaos is notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kiril Simeonovski above. I struggle to see if there is something extraordinary about this appointment compared to any other appointment. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose appointed positions are neither democratic or notable in principal, there is nothing special about this appointment to warrant inclusion as a blurb. additionally, the linked article Prime Minister of France is orange tagged. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I am not literate in French so it'd be hard for me to improve that article by finding sources without relying on Google Translate (which seems unreliable). But your point is taken, I should spend more time in mainspace. :) Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- We only require the targeted article to be of sufficient quality - if we required all articles linked from the blurb to be of good quality, nothing would ever be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Those opposing are doing so largely based on faulty arguments: firstly, executive power is "bicephalous" (two-headed) in France. While the power of the prime minister is largely nominal when the President and PM are from the same party, this is not the case during divided government. Secondly, whether the nomination process is democratic or not does not determine whether something is newsworthy. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 08:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- And what exactly makes this appointment newsworthy/extraordinary compared to any other appointment? 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:ITNELECTIONS, good IP with 20 contribs.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I still struggle to see any extraordinary reasons for this to be posted and as kcmastrpc pointed out, prime minister of France is still orange tagged.
- Furthermore, please refrain from continuing attempting to poison the well, as the amount of contributions anyone have has little to do with the validity of their arguments and doesn't help your case. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- The mention of your lack of experience is an attempt to explain your lack of understanding of the appropriate guideline that has been provided. Nothing extraordinary is required to post the appointment of a new head of government after 8 weeks of delay. That is not to say that this appointment is not extraordinary, given the extraordinary circumstances, but that is not relevant to a decision here. Moreover, after adding five standard references and a book review, I've removed the orange tag on prime minister of France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 16:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- My IP is not static. Let's end our discussion on this page here since we're going dangerously off-topic.31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- The mention of your lack of experience is an attempt to explain your lack of understanding of the appropriate guideline that has been provided. Nothing extraordinary is required to post the appointment of a new head of government after 8 weeks of delay. That is not to say that this appointment is not extraordinary, given the extraordinary circumstances, but that is not relevant to a decision here. Moreover, after adding five standard references and a book review, I've removed the orange tag on prime minister of France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 16:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:ITNELECTIONS, good IP with 20 contribs.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nominate the Protests? These seem more "impactful" and less "stale"; the same blurb would necessarily mention the new PM. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- This makes the most sense to me. —Cryptic 01:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Why not just add a bit to the current blurb?
- ALT 1: Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron leading La France Insoumise to organize protests.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 02:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Might be wise to cut the "organised by", since my understanding is that other left-wing groups have had a role in organising some of the events -- could I suggest ALT2: "...by President Emmanuel Macron, leading to nationwide anti-government protests." UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fine with me... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Might be wise to cut the "organised by", since my understanding is that other left-wing groups have had a role in organising some of the events -- could I suggest ALT2: "...by President Emmanuel Macron, leading to nationwide anti-government protests." UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Important country, important event. People will be turning to the Wikipedia article for information. Like the role of president and prime minister, which differs from every other country I can think of. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 15:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Independent of the actual power of the PM, it's worth noting the situation here. French politics have increasingly heated lately, new elections were called, and Macron's recently appointed PM resigned within a year. Meanwhile, he goes with a different sort of pick here, but not without some backlash by the public. Again, this is discounting the actual power of the French PM, which seems to be understated in this discussion. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose His predecessor's item was pulled from the ITN section, so I don't see why this should be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- His predecessor's item was posted. It was later pulled due to a lack of consensus over the blurb language (inclusion or not of his status as the first openly gay PM). The case was different too, of course, because it was not a situation of cohabitation (in which the President's primacy over the executive is lost to the PM). You supported posting Attal, but do not support posting Barnier. I'm confused as to why when the PM is exercising executive power you oppose, but when the PM was only administering the President's will you supported. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 15:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @SashiRolls, when I posted the support vote at the item, it was my only 15th edit to ITN/C page and was still learning the entire process. Since that time I've made more than 600 edits and I would have opposed that nomination now. Now, why I supported that nomination was because of his sexuality (shouldn't have). My Opposition now has more to do to with the power of the PM. Also, considering the political atmosphere right now, we may see such nominee in the near future again. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- His predecessor's item was posted. It was later pulled due to a lack of consensus over the blurb language (inclusion or not of his status as the first openly gay PM). The case was different too, of course, because it was not a situation of cohabitation (in which the President's primacy over the executive is lost to the PM). You supported posting Attal, but do not support posting Barnier. I'm confused as to why when the PM is exercising executive power you oppose, but when the PM was only administering the President's will you supported. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 15:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per SashiRolls. FlipandFlopped ツ 22:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. - SchroCat (talk) 22:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted ALT2. Schwede66 00:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rebecca Cheptegei
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard, BBC, The Guardian, L'Équipe, Il Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SnowShoes8 (talk · give credit), Heathy94 (talk · give credit), Geschichte (talk · give credit) and ElleAnónime (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: An Ugandan runner who most recently represented her country at the 2024 Summer Olympics, and has now fell victim of a horrible crime. The article definitely needs some more work, but the sources I've included should help us. Oltrepier (talk) 08:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would this merit a blurb? She was a very renowned sportsperson around the world. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Abcmaxx As much as I'd like that possibility, I don't think so...
- Unlike Kelvin Kiptum's case, Cheptegei didn't have many notable achievements, aside of her victory at the 2021 WMTR Championships and her recent participation at the Olympics, and so most people would rather get to know her because of this extremely appalling event. Oltrepier (talk) 09:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - the Sporting career section is very under-referenced at the moment. As above, probably not quite blurb level but worth noting that media around the world such as the NY Times and Guardian have it on their front pages. Such a really tragic story. — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment We've had two tragic deaths of notable sports individuals in the past week or so where editors seemed to have missed the WP:SPIRIT of WP:ITNRDBLURB and I'd encourage editors to really introspect on whether or not suppressing blurbs for these individuals is beneficial to our readers. ITN is pretty stale right now too, fwiw. Quality issues aside with this article, obviously, I Support blurb once usual citation issues are cleared up. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP is not a newspaper. ITN is not about reporting news but to feature encyclopedic quality articles that are in the news. Just because this is a tragic event to a recent Olympic athlete dies not mean it is appropriate to highlight the death as a blurb since their significance overall is minor, in addition to the poor state of the article. — Masem (t) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem Johnny Gaudreau just got GA nominated, so it's not just about quality of the article. I will admit, this one needs some work, but multiple editors are working on it. Again, I'm just asking editors to really consider the reasons we're suppressing so many recent ITN nominations, what's the point of ITN if everything just gets tied up in WP:WIKILAWYER arguments? Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Death blurbs are held to a higher standard given that we automatically include all deaths of notable persons with quality articles in the RD line. — Masem (t) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, I know, I think there's a semi-related discussion on Talk where I can continue my diatribe. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Death blurbs are held to a higher standard given that we automatically include all deaths of notable persons with quality articles in the RD line. — Masem (t) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem Johnny Gaudreau just got GA nominated, so it's not just about quality of the article. I will admit, this one needs some work, but multiple editors are working on it. Again, I'm just asking editors to really consider the reasons we're suppressing so many recent ITN nominations, what's the point of ITN if everything just gets tied up in WP:WIKILAWYER arguments? Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP is not a newspaper. ITN is not about reporting news but to feature encyclopedic quality articles that are in the news. Just because this is a tragic event to a recent Olympic athlete dies not mean it is appropriate to highlight the death as a blurb since their significance overall is minor, in addition to the poor state of the article. — Masem (t) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Substantial improvements in sourcing, the articlce's quality is good. Pinging updater @ElleAnónime:. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- I've done some work on the article's prose; it would still benefit from more polish (I'm not convinced that we need all those race results), but I think it's over the line for what we need here. All remaining uncited material is gone and I've added some important facts from a recent World Athletics obituary. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Picture Another candidate for an RD picture and it's a good one. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article is of good quality. Kcmastrpc makes a good argument for a blurb, and I am convinced this is blurb-worthy given the tragic nature of her death as noted by WP:ITNRDBLURB. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Commnet: I just wanted to thank everyone who took the time to improve and add sources to the article: it looks much better than it did when I first nominated it, and I think that's a good way to pay respect to Cheptegei. Oltrepier (talk) 16:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: looks ready for RD. Natg 19 (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 22:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
September 4
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September 4, 2024
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RD: Hans-Ulrich Schmincke
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German academic and volcanologist. Chaiten1 (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me. Hungry403 (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready Nowhere in the prose does it say that he's died. Schwede66 00:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed, thank you! Chaiten1 (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Noel Parmentel
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 4 September. Thriley (talk) 04:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support good quality article, well referenced Chaiten1 (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support seems fine to me but a infobox would be nice. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to see some structure; article needs more headings. Once that's done, it might also become more obvious that the lead is insufficient. Schwede66 00:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Apalachee High School shooting
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: 4 are killed and 9 injured in a high school shooting in Georgia (Post)
Alternative blurb: 4 left dead in the first american school shooting of the year
News source(s): "4 dead in georgia school shooting". 2024-09-04. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "A 14-year-old student fatally shot 4 people in a rampage at a Georgia high school, officials say". AP News. 2024-09-05.
Credits:
- Nominated by Normalman101 (talk · give credit)
- Note, I understand this is unfortunately common in the U.S, and that wikipedia is not ameri-centric, but it is in the news and I think it deserves discussion. Normalman101 (talk)
- Oppose Unfortunately, shootings happen fairly often in the US, and this one had "few" deaths or injuries. Natg 19 (talk) 19:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Few fatalities or injuries in one of these very common events. 64.114 etc 20:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Natg 19, unfortunately. School shootings are a dime a dozen in the USA. Kurtis (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose with regret -- we'd have to have a reserved item almost every day if we were going to report every US school shooting. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose while tragic, mass shootings in the United States are far too common, with roughly 1 or 2 occurring daily. 24.166.251.29 (talk) 23:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Let's please not overexaggerate the gun violence problem in the US. Yes, shootings in the US are far too frequent to be posted unless they are highly unusual, but let's not create hyperbole around the situation, that does not help towards keeping ITN civil. --Masem (t) 00:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sadly this is a common event here in the United States. Would need either a considerably higher death toll or some other unusual circumstance (famous person involved, historic landmark damaged). The Lewiston, Maine, shooting last year that we posted had 20+ fatalities. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Luis Ayala
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Good article but needs more references in amateur career section. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Multiple citation needed tags are in place. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 18:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose outstanding number of cn tags and a performance timeline would look nice. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bora Đorđević
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Good length article but needs a lot more references. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. For the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 18:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose majority of this article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
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