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Contradiction with page for "Piano Concerto for the Left Hand (Ravel)"

The current article in section "New career as a left-handed pianist" when talking about Wittgenstein's premiere of Ravel's piece reads "But when Wittgenstein made changes to the score for the première, Ravel became incensed and the two never reconciled" and cites a source. In the corresponding discussion of the same event on the page "Piano Concerto for the Left Hand(Ravel)" we instead find the information "Later Wittgenstein agreed to perform the concerto as written, and the two men patched up their differences, 'but the whole episode left a bitter taste in both their mouths'" with a different source. These statements are inconsistent, but I do not know which is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.52.141.49 (talk) 19:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5 NOV or May 11

His gravestone has Nov 5 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=10634703 JimWae (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

as does his draft card & his Social Security application --JimWae (talk) 00:14, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

According to this article, the Hindemith Concerto for the Left Hand was never played in public, and has recently been rediscovered among his wife Hilde (née Schania) Wittgenstein's estate. -- Someone else 22:57 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for that, it's a good article (and it explains why I couldn't find any details about the Hindemith piece in any reference books). I might try to work some of it into this article one day. I'm more convinced than ever, reading that, that Wittgenstein's life is just crying out to be made into a slushy Hollywood movie. --Camembert

Suche!

Hatte Paul Wittgenstein einen Sohn namens LOUIS WITTGENSTEIN (uneheliches Kind)?

Paul Wittgenstein & Sohn Louis

Paul Wittgenstein hat einen - ehelichen - Sohn Louis, geboren 1942, der in Oesterreich lebt.

familie wittgenstein ab 1945?

ich forsch grade nach der 'juengeren' geschichte paul wittgensteins. kann mir jemand gute quellen fuer informationen, was den stammbaum der familie wittgenstein (so ab 1945) betrifft, nennen? von der zeit in den staaten find ich im internet ja nicht wirklich viel. auch die familie figdor (grossmutter vaeterlicher seits) gibt einige raetsel auf. ich waer also fuer allgemeine informationsquellen ebenso dankbar.

sigi atteneder, octavian society hong kong

The article sayeth:

Charles Winchester (David Ogden Stiers) provides him with the sheet music for Ravel's Pieces for the Left Hand, tells him Wittgenstein's story, and encourages him not to abandon his musical gift.

Ravel never wrote anything called Pieces for the Left Hand. He did write a Concerto for the Left Hand, as mentioned in the article - is this something that MASH just gets wrong, or is it the article at fault? If the latter, lets fix it; if the former, we probably ought to note that such a set of pieces doesn't actually exist. --Camembert

Erp, you're right. I'll have to see it again, but I believe that Charles does in fact call it Pieces for the Left Hand. The MASH newsgroup correctly identifies it and of course you can pick Ravel out a mile away, the whole style. I can fix it. Thank you. --Bluejay Young 18:32, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much :) --Camembert

Paul Wittgenstein

In the program notes for a performance of the Ravel Concerto for the Left Hand by pianist Christopher Taylor (the performance--the notes are by conductor Brian Hughes,) there appears the statement, "Wittgenstein's overbearing father, Karl, forbade Paul's three brothers to pursue a musical career and the three ended up committing suicide."

Is there a source I can turn to to verify this fact, and to learn more about the lives and deaths of these three brothers?

--Daddysir

Ray Monk's biography of Ludwig Wittgenstein, and possibly also Wittgenstein's Poker (see the LW page for publication details). There were eight children: Hermine, Hans, Kurt, Rudolf, Margarete, Helene, Paul and Ludwig (in order). Hans was an infant musical prodigy, composing at the age of four, and even in a family of musicians was considered exceptional. He ran off to the USA, disappearing off a boat in 1902, a presumed suicide. Rudolf went to Berlin against his father's wishes and killed himself with cyanide in 1904, apparently after approaching an organisation for homosexuals for help. Kurt commanded an army unit in the first world war and shot himself when they refused to obey orders. The four younger children were educated quite differently, but the three older boys in particular were put under great pressure to become industrialists. So in short, I think the passage above should say "Paul's three older brothers", but otherwise it's accurate. --ajn (talk) 14:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Amount surrendered to the Nazis?

In the Ludwig Wittgenstein article it says that "this amount of gold would be worth over US$37 million" (in the context of the amount the family was forced to sign over to the Reichsbank in order to get a favorable racial identification). However, this article says "...a total value of about $6 billion US dollars" and goes on to say how important this money was in the German war effort.

These two numbers are wildly different and references are given for neither. Does anyone know the truth? Molinari 18:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is my recollection (from sources that require further identification) that the sum transferred was, indeed, in the range of $6bn US, which may well today have amounted to over US $37 BILLION. It is also my recollection that this windfall was a major factor in enabling the Nazis to feel confident in launching WWII. This matter is of far too great historical importance to be treated so casually in Wikipedia. If (and only if) I can identify the sources from which this came, I will provide appropriate edits to the various Wittgenstein articles. My first guess is that the information comes from the fairly recent book "Wittgenstein's Poker" by David Edmonds and John Eidinow. I will try to verify this. Ldmjr (talk) 06:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exclusive performance rights?

I've added a ^{[clarification needed]} to the section on exclusive performance rights for works commissioned by Paul Wittgenstein. This is because it's easy to find exceptions to the assertion that he reserved performance rights of commissioned works for himself during his lifetime. Ravel's concerto was performed by Jacques Février only a few years after Wittgenstein performed it himself. Siegfried Rapp performed Prokofiev's Piano Concerto No. 4 in Wittengstein's lifetime.
The phrase remain mine as long as I still perform in public may be important in his quote, so in other words he gave permission for pieces which he had no intention of performing again. Or it may be that he gave his permission for some pieces but not others. Or it may be that he had somewhat different contracts with different composers. I don't think the statement is completely wrong, but I do think it needs to be clarified why there are clear exceptions to the rule. --Merlinme (talk) 12:07, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Wittgenstein as a performer

Does anyone have any knowledge of Wittgenstein's last public performance? The latest year I have traced him publicly performing dates from 1954 when he performed the Ravel Concerto in Buffalo, NY. Any later dates anyone might suggest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.136.132 (talk) 00:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Born in Vienna to Jewish parents"

Not really; family converted generations earlier on father's side; his mother wasn't Jewish. Maybe by Nazi law he was considered Jewish, but, better to say something like: "born in Vienna with remote Jewsih heritage." Or, as said in the new yorker, "brought up as Christians, but they counted as full Jews under the Nuremberg racial laws because three of their grandparents had been born Jewish and did not convert to Christianity until they reached adulthood. (The fourth, their maternal grandmother, had no Jewish ancestry.)" Or better, have a section on the family genealogy, as done with his brother, Mwinog2777 (talk) 16:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Could those entire paragraphs in "The Wittgensteins" be copied across from Ludwig Wittgenstein? They would seem to be equally applicable here. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:09, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I believe its OK, and I have done.Mwinog2777 (talk) 01:55, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sphilbrick, I couldn't locate what Mwinog2777 had (inadvertently) added from http://deutschlandostmark.blogspot.com/2015_03_01_archive.html. Presumably, the same problem exists at Ludwig Wittgenstein? I wonder could you elucidate? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:54, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inadvertent, did change; Ludwig has the same problem. Although I think the reference to Lang Lang should stay.Mwinog2777 (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]