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The kkk was not founded my far right republicans.
It was founded by ex confederate general and most members were southern democrats CaptKenEarl3 (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
The Ku Klux Klan was founded in 1866 by ex-Confederate soldiers Frank McCord, Richard Reed, John Lester, John Kennedy, J. Calvin Jones and James Crowe in Pulaski, Tennessee. The group was originally a “social club” but quickly became a violent white supremacist group.[reply]
Its first grand wizard was Nathan Bedford Forrest, an ex-Confederate general and prominent slave trader.
Experts agree the KKK attracted many ex-Confederate soldiers and Southerners who opposed Reconstruction, most of whom were Democrats. Forrest even spoke at the 1868 Democratic National Convention.
“The KKK is almost a paramilitary organization that’s trying to benefit one party. It syncs up with the Democratic Party, which really was a racist party openly at the time,” Grinspan said. “But the KKK isn’t the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party isn’t the KKK.”
Did you read the article? Where does it claim that the KKK was founded by "far-right Republicans"? (Which did not exist at the time). The Republicans of the mid-19th century were the progresdsive party, the Democrats were the reactionaries, at least in the South. The parties exchanged positions in the mid-20th century. History and party ideologies are not static. Acroterion(talk)19:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is the frustration I have. When you read about the KKK herein, it clearly places blame on Republicans. Those that "Read further" can read some truths but few make it that far. It needs to start out with historical facts FIRST and then other parts could be added like David Dukes 'KKKK' after he switched parties from Democrat to Republican. David7541 (talk) 19:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you really read the article? The first KKK sought to overthrow Republican power, or to oppose its policies. It was a reactionary movement. That is historical fact, and stated clearly in the article. Acroterion(talk)20:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You think the Democrats of that era were just like they are 150 years later? Read this page, and read the article. Learn some history. Acroterion(talk)
I want a full-blown edit done too the inaccuracies regarding the Klu Klux Klans history.
When you read about the KKK in this Wikipedia, it states that the KKK is a right wing extremist affiliated organization. It doesn't even mention that it was founded by what was a Democrat named David Duke until you read deeper. It only reads that David Dukes party affiliation is Republican, which he switched for the purposes of giving him a better chance at winning office, "per his own words."
Some aggressive editing needs to be done to this article now. People have been asking for the edits and nothing is getting done. I am about to put in a formal complaint regarding this matter.
PLEASE make these edits ASAP and exercise ACCURACY when doing so.
Nothing you describe is about inaccuracies. It seems, rather, you don't like that it accurately describes the modern KKK as being far right and that the Southern Strategy resulted in the Democrats and Republicans effectively flipping their party platforms. EvergreenFir(talk)20:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there are inaccuracies.
You are stating that there are none doesn't change the FACT that there are.
You are describing a "theory" of two parties platforms flipping. That is not a fact. Since when was Wikipedia placing articles based off of theory?
- One being at the beginning of the article where it states that the KKK is a "Far right" party. Is that accurate?
- How about another inaccuracy that the KKK 'David Duke founded' states herein that it was founded in Tennessee. That is also inaccurate. The original KKK was founded in Tennessee, not the Knights of the KKK, which has NO political affiliation with the old KKK other than David Duke joining. Regardless of opinion, feelings, our words used, the least that should be done for the sale of historical accuracy is use FACTS. What I stated herein regarding David Dukes KKKK not being founded in Tennessee is a fact. It is also a fact that labeling the KKKK as a 'far right' entity is erroneous and nefarious.
Can we at least address the FACTS?
FACT 1: The KKKK (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE OLD KKK) But the David Dukes "Knights of" the KKK not being founded in Tennessee, but instead was founded in Louisianna where he resided. The KKK was founded in Tennessee, not the KKKK.
FACT 2: The "New" KKK DOES NOT belong to 1 party. There are members of both Republican, Democrat and Independent. Proof? Click on David Dukes name herein and look up his original political affiliation. It will read Democrat, not Republican.
In the infobox for the Third Klan's ideology, anti-trade unionism is included. Not one of the any 3 articles cited for the ideologies mentions supposed opposition to trade unions.
There is also a section detailing it further, but the entirety of it cites only one book without even an ISBN. The book uses the example of only one Klan organization in one city. The one specific example used does not make the distinction of whether the Klan opposed the CIO due to an anti-union ideology, or merely because they accepted black members.
Meanwhile, more documented aspects of Klan ideology like their Prohibitionism and opposition to private schools aren't included in the infobox.
I agree that it should be removed. The Klan was anti-radical and anti-integration but not ant-trade union in practice. Thomas Pegram's 2018, "THE KU KLUX KLAN, LABOR, AND THE WHITE WORKING CLASS DURING THE 1920S" published in The Journal of the Gilded Age and Progressive Era, states "Historians usually consider the revived Ku Klux Klan of the 1920s to have been consistently opposed to labor unions and the aspirations of working-class people. The official outlook of the national Klan organization fits this characterization, but the interaction between grassroots Klan groups and pockets of white Protestant working-class Americans was more complex. Some left-wing critics of capitalism singled out the Klan as a legitimate if flawed platform on which to build white working-class unity at a time when unions were weak and other institutions demonstrated indifference to working-class interests. In industrial communities scattered across the Midwest, South, and West, white Protestant workers joined the Klan. In Akron, Ohio, the Klan helped to sustain white working-class community cohesion among alienated rubber workers. In Birmingham, Alabama, the Klan violently repressed mixed-race unions but joined with white Protestant workers in a political movement that enacted reforms beneficial to the white working class. But Klan attention to working-class interests was circumstantial and rigidly restricted by race, religion, and ethnicity. Ku Klux definitions of whiteness excluded from fellowship many immigrant and Catholic workers. Local Klans supported striking white Protestant workers when Catholic, immigrant, or black rivals were present, but acted, sometimes violently, against strikes that destabilized white Protestant communities. Ku Klux sympathies complicated urban socialist politics in the Midwest and disrupted the effectiveness and unity of the United Mine Workers. Lingering Klan sympathies among union workers document the power of reactionary popular movements to undermine working-class identity in favor of restrictive loyalties based on race, religion, and ethnicity." As such, I don't think we can definitively state that anti-union ideology was core to Klan beliefs or behavior.--User:Namiba14:43, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding 'far-right' as the lead description of the group makes it sound as if the KKK was an inherently a political organization, which is not necessarily true. Also it's kind off anachronic when the KKK existed prior to the conception of a "far-right". 2800:200:ED80:1A0:D140:CE08:3540:AC25 (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The term originated in the French Revolution around 1789, and was well-established by the end of the 19th century. The definitions were further refined in the 20th century. Bearing in mind that the Klan was openly active into the 1960s, after more modern definitions were applied, there is no particular contradiction. See political spectrum and Left–right political spectrum. In any case. we go by what reliable sources in academic political science tells us, not our own analysis. Acroterion(talk)01:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Darknipples this Wikipedia article says "the KKK or the Klan, is the name of several historical and current American white supremacist, far-right terrorist organizations and hate groups." right after, this article says "the klan is America's first terrorist group". The article says this before explaining the kkk started as one group, so the reader might get confused if the first paragraph says the kkk is multiple groups, then describes it as just one without explaining that the historian was talking about the first klan only. @Knitsey reverted my edit where i said the historian was just talking about the first klan, because she said various sources describe the klan as one group, and she admitted she didn't read other citations, citations that describe the klan as different groups which are cited later in this article. I just made my edit, so the reader won't get confused with inconsistency from the first paragraph. this shouldn't even need to be brought to talk page, if a paragraph in an article is not consistent or confusing, it should be changed, and this shouldn't be a long-drawn-out discussion like most talk page incidents I've been a part of. I'm extremely busy tomorrow so if this conversation lasts longer than 6-7 hours, I'm out. HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 22:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HumansRightsIsCool I understand your concern and I assume good faith that you believe your changes are consistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, but this normally requires a consensus by editors that agree on how best to apply them. There is not a 6-7 hour time limit and consensus can change. I will take a closer look. DN (talk) 23:30, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if you're busy too, why do you wanna waste hours of your time discussing something in an article, going against a tiny change that makes a lot of sense. doesn't seem like your busy. my son turns 17 years old tomorrow, i also got to go to work, i gotta do a whole bunch of things, but you're against time limits on discussions. seems like you got all the time in the universe.  HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 01:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Best wishes to your son. We all have things going on in our lives, and like you, we’re all volunteers. You aren’t entitled to demand that other editors accommodate you. The encyclopedia will still be here when you have some free time. Acroterion(talk)02:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Acroterion is right. This article isn't going anywhere. Just like my college professor told me...over....and over... DN (talk) 03:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]