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August 21
[edit]Anniversaries
[edit]V kategorii Úmrtí 2024 chybí Paul Spencer - Dario G. 2A00:1028:8390:B1E2:C0C5:E044:7F06:3DE4 (talk) 10:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Paul Spencer does not have his own article. He may not be considered individually notable. Xuxl (talk) 14:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Jun 17, 2024 · The dance music producer Paul Spencer, a member of the dance music group Dario G known for the hits Sunchyme and Carnaval de Paris, passed away at age 53 [1] . Philvoids (talk) 10:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- The OP's question is not whether he died (it's clearly the case) but why he doesn't appear under the category "2024 deaths". The reason is that the category is generated from individual articles, and Mr. Spencer does not have one, for whichever reason. Xuxl (talk) 15:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Jun 17, 2024 · The dance music producer Paul Spencer, a member of the dance music group Dario G known for the hits Sunchyme and Carnaval de Paris, passed away at age 53 [1] . Philvoids (talk) 10:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Paul Spencer does not have his own article. He may not be considered individually notable. Xuxl (talk) 14:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
August 22
[edit]Tripping in my sleep
[edit]When I was about to fall asleep, I felt as thought I tripped on something despite laying down on my bed. I even felt a hard surface below my feet. What is that? TWOrantulaTM (enter the web) 15:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, although it reminds me of Exploding head syndrome.
- Probably a type of hypnic jerk (but enough about me). Card Zero (talk) 15:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's exactly what it is. Unlike other people, I often seek these out, because if I can facilitate a hypnic jerk, it somehow allows me to enter a deeper state of sleep. Obviously, this is not for everyone, as most people are fearful and anxious when it comes to the feeling and try to avoid it. But I think, in my case, it helps me enter into deeper, more restful sleep states. Viriditas (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- See also Hypnagogia. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- And a subset of the above, the Night hag phenomenon, something I've experienced a few times, where it seems as if something is sitting on your chest and strangling you. Fortunately, I knew about it before experiencing it, so didn't think it was really supernatural once I'd woken, and recognised it immediately on further occurrances.
- I've also repeatly felt as if someone was sitting on the bed next to me, even bouncing up and down on one occasion, the feeling of my air mattress deflating (it hadn't), and cats jumping onto the bed and laying down against me – a regular actual experience in a previous house, but here occuring in a house with none. The mind and body can do funny things! I like to think of them as free entertainment. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Electoral College faithless electors law
[edit]Hello. If you go to the U.S. Electoral College faithless elector page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector), you can see that Texas is also colored light green. The light green stands, for if I am not mistaken, the invalidity of the vote without a possible fine. But it is my understanding that Texas does not (at least not yet) have a law on possible faithless electors, but I could be wrong. Who's right? Thank you very much. 5.94.86.20 (talk) 15:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- This Texas state law was passed on June 18 2023 and made effective immediately. 75.136.148.8 (talk) 14:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Is there any (institutionalized) religion, teaching that a material statue is literally a god, and not only represents a (spiritual) god?
[edit]HOTmag (talk) 23:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are too many qualifiers there for this question to have any well-defined answer rather than just a conversation starter:
- institutionalized
- teaching
- material
- statue
- literally (not representationally)
- spiritual
- god
- At its core, your question seems to be interested in the most direct ways that established religious systems have attempted to bridge the material–spiritual divide, right?Remsense ‥ 论 01:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the Statue of Marduk would qualify, apart from being over 2000 years in the past. Card Zero (talk) 03:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- In Chinese folk religion, the City God is sometimes seen to be the actual statue enshrined in his yamen. --49.255.185.235 (talk) 04:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct. This is limited to "folk" religion, which I doubt would be considered religion in other countries. It would be considered folklore. It is not limited to cities. In rural areas, it is common to have a statue on the corner of a lot that is considered a "god" that looks over the lot. I seriously doubt anyone truly believes that a little statue is casting magic over the land in exchange for gifts. But, it is common and if you don't do it, you are weird. 75.136.148.8 (talk) 14:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- In Chinese folk religion, the City God is sometimes seen to be the actual statue enshrined in his yamen. --49.255.185.235 (talk) 04:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the Statue of Marduk would qualify, apart from being over 2000 years in the past. Card Zero (talk) 03:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Arguable Shinto does with certain natural objects or phenomena being kami EvergreenFir (talk) 04:47, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tokorozawa Doll Memorial Celebration: It describes how a shinto temple offers the Ningyo Kuyosai ceremony to dispose of used dolls, traditional Japanese or Disney:
To the left is a makeshift counter and there you can any hand in any doll you want. The dolls will be noted and you will receive a paper slip containing the name of your doll. The soul of the doll thus is transferred to the paper slip which you can place into a wooden box at the pyre. Burning the slip with your doll's name on it will do the same service as ceremonially burning the doll itself.[...] while all the Hello Kitty, Teddy Bear, Snoopy and so on will get unceremoniously dumped into a Tokorozawa city garbage container out of sight. It doesn't matter. By now, the paper slip has taken over the soul of the doll. It will go into the fire and the soul of the doll will thus go to heaven no matter its origin.
- --Error (talk) 00:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- May I ask what doll heaven is like? Viriditas (talk) 00:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- 100% Chucky-free. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- May I ask what doll heaven is like? Viriditas (talk) 00:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Tokorozawa Doll Memorial Celebration: It describes how a shinto temple offers the Ningyo Kuyosai ceremony to dispose of used dolls, traditional Japanese or Disney:
- Yes, likely quite a few. See animism. For example, the extant Jewish, Christian, and Islamic proscriptions against idols are popularly believed to be based on their reactionary attitudes to pluralistic religious beliefs, in particular, to animist, pagan belief systems, where the idols, symbols, and in many cases plants and even animals take on literal god-like manifestations. You could start by looking at Hawaiian religion as one of many examples. See aumakua. Viriditas (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not objecting, but I notice terms like "takes on physical forms", "spirit vehicles", and "manifest". What I mean is, unsurprisingly, no religion seems to have gods that can be destroyed by destroying the god-object. Card Zero (talk) 03:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Destroyed for who?", I suppose would be an operative question. In a sense, the "institutionalized" and "materially-contingent" criteria are at odds with one another—the point of corporations (in the broadest sense) is that they're immortal—it doesn't make organizational sense to treat your god–statue the same way once you've got a church to run and a career to build, so to speak. Dunno if that makes sense. Remsense ‥ 论 04:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not objecting, but I notice terms like "takes on physical forms", "spirit vehicles", and "manifest". What I mean is, unsurprisingly, no religion seems to have gods that can be destroyed by destroying the god-object. Card Zero (talk) 03:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- For art, any art, to be strictly representational is very unusual in the history of cultures of the world, and it is a comparatively recent and long evolution in (some, mainstream) European art. So your premise, that a statue of a god should by default be expected to solely be a representation of a god, would seem silly on its face to just about everyone in the world for most of history. (Japan as mentioned has a lot of good examples since it's so common in Western media -- other art beyond crafts that are strongly non-representational include suiseki and kabuki.) SamuelRiv (talk) 15:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
The film Land of the Pharaohs (1955) imagines ancient Egyptian religion where "There's a marvelous moment when the dead are being taken away from battle in their coffins, and someone says, "Let us hear the gods of Egypt speak." The camera pans over to one of the statues of the gods, and it talks. That's it-the statue talks!" - Martin Scorsese Philvoids (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- You neglected to mention the film was made by Howard Hawks, one of the greatest film directors of all time, and whose style was light years ahead of its time and is still relevant today. Whenever I see the name Howard Hawks, I imagine myself doing a deep Japanese bow. It's been 47 years since Hawks died and people like myself still revere him, that's how influential he was. Viriditas (talk) 20:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The first sentence of the first reference I gave says who directed Land of the Pharoahs. Philvoids (talk) 13:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure if serious, my dude. I was only joking. Viriditas (talk) 00:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- The first sentence of the first reference I gave says who directed Land of the Pharoahs. Philvoids (talk) 13:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This might become an issue if the statue was constructed out of sacramental bread. Shantavira|feed me 12:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- In fact I'm not sure why sacramental bread is not Jesus-shaped, since it is supposed to be literally his body. Shantavira|feed me 09:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- I know you're joking of course—I think the different ways denominations understand what transpires in the Eucharist to be a great microcosm of the whole history: maybe I'm too undiscerning, but I feel equally receptive to the Catholic "well-defined Aristotelian mystery", the Lutheran "don't ask us how but we believe him when he says it", to the Orthodox "something definite happens but we're not sure what Greek word to use for it" to the Calvinist "definitely just a metaphor" Remsense ‥ 论 09:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's an extended discussion over at origin of the Eucharist, which I find to be well written and informative. But to save you some trouble: nobody anywhere can make sense of the how and why of sacramental bread as it's deemed a mystery. Viriditas (talk) 09:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- "He was talking on the phone, seated at his rather motley-looking desk, filled with family portraits (including me, at the precise moment of receiving a consecrated host with the expression of an expectant cannibal on my face) … " (Pablo Tusset, The Best Thing That Can Happen to a Croissant). -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 18:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would that I could see that photograph; I've always wondered about the appearance of the facial expression of an expectant cannibal. --Lambiam 22:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not forgetting the Anglicans; "Here's what it says in the Bible, make of it what you will". Alansplodge (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- "'Twas God the word that spake it,
- He took the bread and brake it;
- And what the word did make it;
- That I believe, and take it."
- As a very wise politician once said. DuncanHill (talk) 22:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- "'Twas God the word that spake it,
- Not forgetting the Anglicans; "Here's what it says in the Bible, make of it what you will". Alansplodge (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would that I could see that photograph; I've always wondered about the appearance of the facial expression of an expectant cannibal. --Lambiam 22:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- "He was talking on the phone, seated at his rather motley-looking desk, filled with family portraits (including me, at the precise moment of receiving a consecrated host with the expression of an expectant cannibal on my face) … " (Pablo Tusset, The Best Thing That Can Happen to a Croissant). -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 18:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- In fact I'm not sure why sacramental bread is not Jesus-shaped, since it is supposed to be literally his body. Shantavira|feed me 09:06, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
August 29
[edit]Fresh scents
[edit]In my part of the world (for the purposes here, that might mean "Ontario", or "Western World", I dunno) there are a limited number of smells/tastes that are considered "fresh" and they have fairly well circumscribed areas where they're employed: mint, which is used to freshen breath (toothpaste/gum/candy); pine scent (we don't really have an appropriate article), which gets used for cars and furniture; and lemon, which gets used for furniture and room deodorization. There's a pretty limited number of others in the group: cinnamon sometimes gets used for breath freshening, some formulas use orange oil rather than lemon oil, that kind of thing. But we don't, broadly speaking, make use of pine toothpaste or mint room deodorizers, etc.
Or am I wrong and that's just the way things are near me? Our article on mint says that it was previously used as a room deodorizer, back when dirt floors were more common. I've seen cinnamon toothpaste and breath fresheners, but they're clearly a tiny minority compared to mint - are there parts of the world where that's reversed? Are there places where my list above would be completely inaccurate? Matt Deres (talk) 14:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Consumer products for air freshening began to emerge in the late 1800s which coincided with the arrival of the first synthetically produced fragrant Aroma compounds. Aroma compounds can naturally be found in various foods, such as fruits and their peels, wine, spices, floral scent, perfumes, fragrance oils, and essential oils. Philvoids (talk) 19:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Smell is a social phenomenon, invested with particular meanings and values by different cultures." That's the opening line of Aroma: The Cultural History of Smell. I have yet to find the part where it discusses which scents in which part of the world mean "toothpaste" as opposed to "detergent". Card Zero (talk) 06:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I don't have a specific answer, one thing to bear in mind is that's it's likely in quite a few places, such products were either imported when they were first introduced, or at least produced by people or companies from what we'd now call the Western world. Some of the places would be colonies of such, and even when they weren't they were often heavily involved in earlier industrialisation. And even when this wasn't the case, it's quite likely they were at least heavily influenced by and relied on stuff from there, e.g. their synthetic aromas. For example, AFAIK, the infamous Darlie toothpaste generally has mint flavours which I suspect might hark from their early days. It was a bit difficult to find much about the founders in English (it's said to originate in Shanghai from the Niem family [2] but their details are a bit unclear) but from machine translations of the Chinese article zh:DARLIE好來 it seems the founders were 严柏林 and 严中立 with Niem being a perhaps slightly unusual transliteration of Yan (surname 严). The controversial name and marketing itself is enough to show some influence from what's now the Western world, but it seems they and their employees came from zh:中国化学工业社 (Sinochem) who were possibly one of the early brands of local toothpaste in China (which our Darlie article suggests were mint flavoured). The machine translation of our article on Sinochem suggests they had problems in the early days due to a flood of foreign products. Of course I'm not totally sure whether there was a reason for mint to be associated with such things in what's now the Western world before it happened anyway. Nil Einne (talk) 22:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Menthol has local anesthetic and counterirritant qualities, that's what's up with that. Card Zero (talk) 23:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- One of the most interesting things about menthol is how large a role it plays in Filipino and Latino folk remedies. See Vicks VapoRub where it is described as "a cultural touchstone among Hispanic and Latino Americans", in particular. Regarding Filipino culture, Gabbi Constantino writes: "It is a cultural trait that transcends generations, somehow marrying medical science and our propensity for anting-anting (talisman or amulet), sometimes on the same level as stereotyped eccentricities ('Don’t sleep when your hair is wet') or brow-furrowing dogma ('Watching horror movies will invite demons into you!'). Say, for example, the idea of cure-alls. Just as Nia Vardalos' big Greek family has learne]]d to trust Windex, many Filipinos have depended on a limited number of products (perhaps due to economics or convenience) to get through almost whatever ails us. Got a cough? Slather Vicks on your chest. Cough has morphed into a full-blown flu? Just put more Vicks. The comedian Jo Koy's mother Josie was one such believer. 'My mom never took us to the doctor. My mom raised us like we were still in the Philippines,' he joked in his Lights Out Netflix special. 'There was one time I thought I had pneumonia, I go 'Mom, I think I have pneumonia.' She goes, 'I’ll put extra Vicks in your body, Joseph. Just rub it everywhere, Joseph. Rub it on the bottom of the foot, then put a sock on the foot. And the Pneumonia will come out of the foot, Joseph,' mentioning a favorite go-to move of Fillipino moms to the howls of the Fil-American crowd."[3] Viriditas (talk) 22:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The presence of petroleum jelly in something intended for inhalation makes me worry in the context of Fire breather's pneumonia, but I expect that's entirely different and I'm being absurd. Card Zero (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- One of the most interesting things about menthol is how large a role it plays in Filipino and Latino folk remedies. See Vicks VapoRub where it is described as "a cultural touchstone among Hispanic and Latino Americans", in particular. Regarding Filipino culture, Gabbi Constantino writes: "It is a cultural trait that transcends generations, somehow marrying medical science and our propensity for anting-anting (talisman or amulet), sometimes on the same level as stereotyped eccentricities ('Don’t sleep when your hair is wet') or brow-furrowing dogma ('Watching horror movies will invite demons into you!'). Say, for example, the idea of cure-alls. Just as Nia Vardalos' big Greek family has learne]]d to trust Windex, many Filipinos have depended on a limited number of products (perhaps due to economics or convenience) to get through almost whatever ails us. Got a cough? Slather Vicks on your chest. Cough has morphed into a full-blown flu? Just put more Vicks. The comedian Jo Koy's mother Josie was one such believer. 'My mom never took us to the doctor. My mom raised us like we were still in the Philippines,' he joked in his Lights Out Netflix special. 'There was one time I thought I had pneumonia, I go 'Mom, I think I have pneumonia.' She goes, 'I’ll put extra Vicks in your body, Joseph. Just rub it everywhere, Joseph. Rub it on the bottom of the foot, then put a sock on the foot. And the Pneumonia will come out of the foot, Joseph,' mentioning a favorite go-to move of Fillipino moms to the howls of the Fil-American crowd."[3] Viriditas (talk) 22:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Menthol has local anesthetic and counterirritant qualities, that's what's up with that. Card Zero (talk) 23:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I don't have a specific answer, one thing to bear in mind is that's it's likely in quite a few places, such products were either imported when they were first introduced, or at least produced by people or companies from what we'd now call the Western world. Some of the places would be colonies of such, and even when they weren't they were often heavily involved in earlier industrialisation. And even when this wasn't the case, it's quite likely they were at least heavily influenced by and relied on stuff from there, e.g. their synthetic aromas. For example, AFAIK, the infamous Darlie toothpaste generally has mint flavours which I suspect might hark from their early days. It was a bit difficult to find much about the founders in English (it's said to originate in Shanghai from the Niem family [2] but their details are a bit unclear) but from machine translations of the Chinese article zh:DARLIE好來 it seems the founders were 严柏林 and 严中立 with Niem being a perhaps slightly unusual transliteration of Yan (surname 严). The controversial name and marketing itself is enough to show some influence from what's now the Western world, but it seems they and their employees came from zh:中国化学工业社 (Sinochem) who were possibly one of the early brands of local toothpaste in China (which our Darlie article suggests were mint flavoured). The machine translation of our article on Sinochem suggests they had problems in the early days due to a flood of foreign products. Of course I'm not totally sure whether there was a reason for mint to be associated with such things in what's now the Western world before it happened anyway. Nil Einne (talk) 22:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- "Smell is a social phenomenon, invested with particular meanings and values by different cultures." That's the opening line of Aroma: The Cultural History of Smell. I have yet to find the part where it discusses which scents in which part of the world mean "toothpaste" as opposed to "detergent". Card Zero (talk) 06:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Lavender was widely used to deoderise rooms, especially wardrobes and clothes drawers. It is a very common garden plant in Britain, so you could just pick a bunch and hang it where needed. Somewhat out of fashion, as the scent of lavender is now commonly associated with elderly ladies. Alansplodge (talk) 11:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strewing herb observes that "As people got smellier, the use of fragrant herbs became more popular." Card Zero (talk) 12:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, the King and Queen still cary a nosegay at the annual Royal Maundy ceremony, originally intended to ward off the odours eminating from their subjects. Alansplodge (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strewing herb observes that "As people got smellier, the use of fragrant herbs became more popular." Card Zero (talk) 12:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pine is a traditional scent for disinfectant, I think we mention it at pine oil. DuncanHill (talk) 22:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
September 1
[edit]Hostage update
[edit]In the article Israel-Hamas war hostage crisis, does the latest tally of the dead include the 6 bodies recovered last night, or not? (Source: [4]https://www.timesofisrael.com/bodies-of-6-hostages-murdered-by-hamas-just-days-earlier-found-in-rafah-idf/ ) 2601:646:8082:BA0:C9A8:A23F:68B1:8029 (talk) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, we can see from this edit that several numbers were increased or decreased by six. Card Zero (talk) 11:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the update! 2601:646:8082:BA0:C9A8:A23F:68B1:8029 (talk) 22:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
September 3
[edit]Dark-skinned mixed black-white people
[edit]Is it possible that a mixed race black-white person can be dark-skinned? 86.130.217.84 (talk) 19:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, of course. Witness the furore about the speculation about the colour of the then-unborn child of Meghan and Harry. (Btw, for the life of me I still can't understand what that issue was all about. Harry is white, and Meghan has half-African ancestry, so zillions of people were already wondering about and talking about this very question. But for a member of the Royal Family to voice such a thought - shock! horror! How dare they! I have a lot of respect for Oprah, but she seemed to be the main culprit in fanning the flames of this confected outrage.)
- The technical term is mulatto. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I remember my black uncle and white aunt wondering about the colour of their unborn children. And tbh I didn't realise Meghan was black until I was told. Hey ho. DuncanHill (talk) 20:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)