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Arab and Chinese colonialism[edit]

Although it is undisputed that Arabs and Chinese colonized territories in the course of establishing their empires, the article contains no mention of these historical events. Banderswipe (talk) 16:58, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please supply sources and descriptions. DenverCoder9 (talk) 04:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead on current colonies[edit]

The last paragraph of the lead seems tendentious to me. In particular the references to Bermuda and that there have been "countless" referenda. In some cases those referenda have been in favour of retaining a territory's dependent status and they have not been removed from the list. Places like the Falklands, Gibraltar or Bermuda should not be classified as colonies in the lead without some qualification.

I tag @Nsae Comp who last edited that paragraph and may have views on the matter. Jtrrs0 (talk) 15:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but I left it as it is because I am not knowledgeable in the particular decolonization histories. But I was close to replacing it with my addition about the UN list. Maybe by not naming them, but rather saying that there are more territories than on the UN list that are contested regarding their colonial status. Nsae Comp (talk) 20:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go ahead and remove Bermuda now. That should be relatively uncontroversial given all the sources there refer to Puerto Rico.

I'll leave it a couple days and, if nobody objects, I'll try my hand at a more even-handed write-up. Jtrrs0 (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opening sentence[edit]

The section on Classical period colonization describes ancient farm colonies displacing nomadic hunter-gatherers. The opening sentence of the article says, "... process of establishing control ... for the purpose of exploitation ..." Ancient "farmer-colonialists" displacing nomadic tribes is not the same as exploiting said nomadic tribes as farm labor. It follows that the definition of "colonization" in the opening sentence does not describe Classical period colonization. The inclusion of the word "exploitation" prevents the definition from applying to the case of Classical period "farmer-colonialists." Chino-Catane (talk) 11:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Exploitation" does not only refer to exploitation of people. It can also mean exploitation of resources, such as land. The sentence is correct. Zero^talk 15:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suppose an arbitrary but particular ancient group of farmers from an already-established agrarian society transferred themselves to a truly uninhabited piece of land, started farming it, and maintained associative relationships with the society from which they migrated. Would this instance have constituted "colonization"?

Second case: Suppose these farmers did displace nomadic tribes. They would not have "exploited" people but land instead; but what's the difference between "exploitative" farming of land versus non-exploitative farming of land? Chino-Catane (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Yes. (Think of colonization of Mars to exploit the mineral wealth there.) (2) This question does not relate to the lead sentence. Nor is the lead sentence supposed to cover all the complexities of the topic. Zero^talk 04:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zero "Yes. (Think of colonization of Mars to exploit the mineral wealth there.)"

Per the follow up question, what is the difference between "exploitative farming" and "non-exploitative farming", with regards to Classical period migrating farmers? Chino-Catane (talk) 22:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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