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Figuring out where to put material on "Pony Kids"

I'm working on the article Fletcher Street Urban Riding Club, which is about an American organization that teaches young people about taking care of and riding horses. The article includes some material about horse-riding teenagers in Dublin, but it doesn't seem to belong in the article -- it's not closely related -- so I'd like to move it. I'm thinking this could be rewritten to fit under "Sports" in this article, since the practice seems to come from Irish Traveller traditions. Does that make sense? Suggestions for other places to cover this? Dreamyshade (talk) 17:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-Gaelic

I'm minded to just remove "Another theory is of a pre-Gaelic origin, where Travellers are descended from a community that lived in Ireland prior to the arrival of the Celts. Once Ireland was claimed as a Celtic homeland, this group was seen as lower class.^[1]^{[failed verification]}"

-I'm pretty sure this theory - surely never very widely held - relied on the old theories of the "arrival of the Celts", as a people bringing a language with them, in the Late Bronze Age or Iron Age, which no experts now really believe. The source, in an American "Journal of Civil Rights and Social Justice" clearly isn't specialized (in the right subject). It seems it may not actually say that anyway; pp 55-56 list various theories held in "popular speculation" that sort of come close. But genetic studies suggest an Early Modern rather than ancient divergence from the main Irish population. Objections? Johnbod (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC) Johnbod (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ Keane, David (2005). "International law and the ethnicity of Irish Travellers". Washington and Lee Journal of Civil Rights and Social Justice. 11 (1). ISSN 1942-5732.

[Keane2005-1] Keane, David (2005). "International law and the ethnicity of Irish Travellers". Washington and Lee Journal of Civil Rights and Social Justice. 11 (1). ISSN 1942-5732.

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