Talk:Community
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Online Communities - MScSJCA, student contributions
[edit]I am studying an MSc Social Justice and community action, our topic right now is online commuities and Wikipedia. Our task is to review and contribute to the 'Community' article.
Having thoughts on additions to the 'internet community' section.
I am thinking we could mention Wikipedia as a community of collaborative production.
Also, I think we could add some content which is more positive in its outlook of online communities - more than weaker bonds, stalking and remaining anonymous e.g. the benefits to certain groups/movements, and also we need some more references.
- Mscsj12 shall we draft together?
- Rheglasgow (talk) 13:36, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- LeoRomero (talk) 07:59, 29 November 2015 (UTC) - @Mscs12 and Rheglasgow: Welcome! Sorry i just saw your note. I'm happy to help. In the past week, i've been trying to clean up what's already here - improving upon previous work. But do what you think is best for the article - you don't need anyone's permission here. If you need help on anything, just {{ping}} me. - Thanks; Leo
- PS: I'd been using the to do list at the top of the page to keep track of what I'd been doing to complete the tasks left by earlier contributors - might be a good way for us to coordinate - LeoRomero (talk) 08:11, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
I think the definition in the first paragraph of the page is quite a good one. Any thoughts on whether it covers everything relating to the terms abiguity? Could there be a section dedicated to it's varied use in the political field? Garysweir (talk) 10:34, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Good idea 👍 197.157.231.74 (talk) 05:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Split
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This badly needs to be split into something like 1) Community (settlement) and 2) Community (sociology), to distinguish between the only tenuously related 1) original human geography sense of the term, based on physical living environment; and 2) the subcultural derived meaning of intentional community, voluntary association, and self-selecting participation. What we have right now is basically a messy WP:COATRACK situation. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:01, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Don't split – I think there's way too much middle ground between these concepts. Perhaps you could provide examples of the kind of thing that the settlement article would talk about? Is an office community geographical—they all work in the same place? Are people of a diaspora a geographic community? What if they deliberately distance themselves from that community? What if they grow up with no connection to such a community but "rediscover" it? Aren't almost all communities intentional to some extent? Anthropological questions seem pretty inescapable even when talking about geographic communities. Even if there was a clear distinction between these definitions of community, this article can be hardly be called a coatrack (hook for "irrelevant, undue, biased" information). There are also already many articles on ideas like people, tribe, clan, citizenship. I wouldn't mind separate articles for these specific ideas you suggest, but I do think it would be a shame to get rid of this one and I think there would have to be quite a bit of overlap. It may be that I'm not quite getting what you're saying here. If so, please let me know.—A L T E R C A R I ✍ 16:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC) Another I just realised. There are already articles Community of place, Community of interest and Community of practice. Would your proposal be merging the content of Community into these?—A L T E R C A R I ✍ 17:51, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
- Another approach - keep Community but mark sections that have gone off topic and can appropriately be moved to Community (sociology) (or other discipline). Intuitively, the page name without a qualifier (e.g. tv show, book, scientific discipline) will refer to the basic (popular) concept. I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 08:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Don't split -- add a subheader for the sociological perspective given the first subheadings. Ecology is a discipline of thought around community that is distinct from, though it also overlaps with, sociology. I'll have to come back and read the whole article to say more. sheridanford (talk) 14:44, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Weak support though the distinction between the scopes needs to be better than that. There's a reason why these two subjects are referred to by the same word. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 03:03, 27 August 2018 (UTC)- Oppose — A location community is just a subclass of a sociological community. If one looks at the table of contents, there's actually surprisingly few concepts that are exclusive to location communities or non-location communities. Content that gives undue weight to and applies only to location communities should be moved to Human settlement. Furthermore, I specifically object to SheridanFord's proposal. I think that section should be deleted. A hatnote should be used to point to the ecological meaning, and the archeological perspective should be generally incorporated throughout this article and the Human settlement article. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 03:35, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- I also object to I.am.a.qwerty's proposal since the popular concept is the sociological concept. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 03:38, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Bollocks. The human-settlement meaning the term itself used for this meaning (in English, and in earlier forms in Middle French and Latin) pre-date the existence of sociology and any concepts we would call sociological by centuries and ultimately millennia. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment aren't other articles such as Community of place or Human settlement sufficient for that concept? power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:43, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Split it or thoroughly edit it, because it's a very poor article, largely a repository of trivia and one-upmanship. It strikes me as… odd to equate any grouping of two people sharing only a single (possibly very narrow) interest to a neighborhood or village or social movement; the former has MUCH more in common with a SIG. Better still might be to strike it entirely, as a grossly overinflated (and poorly sourced — e.g. Community#Ecology, Community#Organizational communication, Community#Location, Community#Overlaps) dictionary entry. — Weeb Dingle (talk) 22:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- I now support I.am.a.qwerty's another approach, since it would retain the central human-settlements material at Community, as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This is consistent with the split concerns of others. It would actually address the central don't split concern, too – because if the sociological and subcultural stuff were put into a subsection, it would be split out into a separate article (either immediately or eventually) per WP:SUMMARY, anyway. The secondary don't split idea, that the original human-settlement sense of the term is somehow derivative of the sociological sense, is obviously counterfactual. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
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Links not Working
[edit]Link 18 in the notes is not working anymore 2001:16B8:A4D3:C01:C4EF:A4F4:358A:A3FF (talk) 10:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for reporting this; I have added a ""dead link" note. It's possible that an editor may be able to find an archived copy of the original page somewhere. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Error in definition to community
[edit]Definitions
Unit Oneness, singularity, seen as a component of a whole number; a magnitude of one.
Social Social refers to the interaction of people and other organisms with each other, and to their collective co-existence.
Community A community is a social unit (a group of living things) with commonality such as place, norms, religion, values, customs, or identity.
Conclusion from definitions
In definition of community two opposite words are used together "social unit".Plural is the opposite of singular and are not same.
Social becomes plural with the presence of people in its definition."People" are plural form of person.Social as a plurality word can't be used with a singularity word "unit".A word can't be singular as well as plural at the same time as for defining a word "community".
In place of social there be a singularity word as "individual" suitable with the word "unit".Together to be written as "individual unit". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.15.152.170 (talk) 14:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is incorrect. There are many words that refer to a multitude as singular. “Multitude,” in fact, being an example; likewise, “group,” “team,” and “herd.” In fact, it may be impossible to divide anything down to singularity (at least, at the utilitarian scale of our Newtonian reality); an individual human comprises billions of cells, none of which can be regarded as identical to another and many of which are of diverse species! *A* community (singular) is a perfectly valid concept, especially so when used to contrast it with another. Neuroglider (talk) 09:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Police and policing
[edit]Comprehensive note on the concept of community 105.112.61.29 (talk) 19:59, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Political bias
[edit]The section on semantics (under “Perspectives of various disciplines”) emphasizes a characterization of “community” as illegitimate and exploitative, suggesting that mutual well-being, happiness, and togetherness are either themselves illegitimate societal goals or that these are never the sincere objectives of politicians. In fact, the relative interest in organizing society around these goals may be the essence of the political spectrum; the right emphasizes individuality and the left encourages mutual benevolence. The latter is rooted in philosophies which recognize the modalities in which all people (all life forms, perhaps) are connected and interdependent. The dynamic tension between this sentiment versus concern for the individual is likely useful in preventing extremism that could be destabilizing. Therefore, community-oriented societal structures are valuable and represent reasonable goals of politicians (who need not be “populists”). Advertising is a very different matter (albeit a component of capitalism, which has directionality regarding the political spectrum), and I would prefer that it be separated from the topic of political connotations. Neuroglider (talk) 09:04, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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